Project to enable Bosch + Garmin integration

[sandyman44]

its not too far off for me.
same ride :
bosch portal view

sync to strava, export TCX, import to garmin. garmin connect view:

 

[pinoymamba]

its not too far off for me.
same ride :
bosch portal view View attachment 149751 sync to strava, export TCX, import to garmin. garmin connect view:
View attachment 149752

Looks like I was uploading the wrong file type. I guess it’s time to update my Bosch firmware so I can sync my HRM. Apparently the Apple Watch app doesn’t sync HR to the ride file just the Apple health app

 

[Shark58]

sync to strava, export TCX, import to garmin. garmin connect view:

You could skip one export step in your workflow.
The Bosch eBike portal has a function to export data from any recorded activity as a TCX file. No need to go through Strava.
I‘ve been doing this for more than three years now.

 

[pinoymamba]

You could skip one export step in your workflow.
The Bosch eBike portal has a function to export data from any recorded activity as a TCX file. No need to go through Strava.
I‘ve been doing this for more than three years now.

I’ve only seen GPX and FIT files on the Flow app.

 

[Shark58]

I’ve only seen GPX and FIT files on the Flow app.

I know that, but @sandyman44 and I talked about the Bosch eBike portal for pre smart motors. There you need to export a TCX file.

In your case with a smart motor there is no portal. You can export the FIT file and import that into Garmin connect to get all recorded data into Garmin.

 

[pinoymamba]

I know that, but @sandyman44 and I talked about the Bosch eBike portal for pre smart motors. There you need to export a TCX file.

In your case with a smart motor there is no portal. You can export the FIT file and import that into Garmin connect to get all recorded data into Garmin.

FIT files had issues with Garmin Connect but thanks for clarifying.

 

[Prozor]

This is not quite the solution to the problem. Smart exports only to strava, it does not record heart rate data. Nor any data that a Garmin device such as the Edge records. If Bosch finally decided to make power, cadence and speed data available via standard BT transmission this would solve the problem. Even without the data available on the ANT+ Lev (controllability or engine power and battery level data, etc.). The Bosch Kiox is a decent display, but it's a far cry from Garmin's computers/watches.

 

[Shark58]

FIT files had issues with Garmin Connect but thanks for clarifying.

When was the last time you tried this? I know the Bosch generated FIT files had a number of issues that prevented importing the data into 3rd party portals. Bosch had promised to fix that with an update to the Flow App. This was several versions ago.

 

[pinoymamba]

When was the last time you tried this? I know the Bosch generated FIT files had a number of issues that prevented importing the data into 3rd party portals. Bosch had promised to fix that with an update to the Flow App. This was several versions ago.

I just tried right now and still get an error. I’m also still on an old firmware because I connected the mini wireless controller to my stock LED controller (which I stuffed to the inside of my frame. I also removed the Kiox). I’m scared to update the firmware as I fear they’ll make the pairing stop working. Which took forever to sync to the stock controller, I was about to give up and it finally saw the mini remote. I spoke with the rep of the company for my bike and he said “that’s not supposed to work, but I really like it”. I had purchased the vertical controller for it as well to pair with the mini controller. Someone had just plugged it in without having to sync but the firmware update after required a shop sync. I updated unknowingly before installing that. So I have a useless vertical controller at the shop which I should probably pick up since it’s been there since December of last year.

I haven’t touched the firmware since Dec 23- worth risking the pairing for the latest firmware?

 

[Shark58]

I haven’t touched the firmware since Dec 23- worth risking the pairing for the latest firmware?

Since Dec 23 you’re missing quite a lot of new functionality. If I remember correctly there were some new functions in the Flow app that required corresponding firmware updates for the motor.

I haven’t heard about any case of loosing the ability to pair the mini remote to the led controller - but no guarantees.

 

[nmvmira]

Cou;d we start a campaign to lobby Bosch? I know unlikely to be successful but may help? Ive got an Edge 1030 and Fenix 6 Watch, would be great to have integration with my pending Trrek Rail with Bosch CX

I started a petition for this, but it doesn't seem to have any traction. I guess people just like to complain but don't actually take any steps to solve their own issues.

Anyhow, here's the petition: Petition Bosch, Unlock Our Data!

 

[pinoymamba]

Signed- i wonder what kind of spam mail I’ll get in a couple months lol jk

 

[Prozor]

I started a petition for this, but it doesn't seem to have any traction. I guess people just like to complain but don't actually take any steps to solve their own issues.

Anyhow, here's the petition: Petition Bosch, Unlock Our Data!

The problem is that there is no assurance that these types of petitions will ever reach anyone at Bosch, especially anyone in decision-making. It's like posting a notice on a fence somewhere on a side street.

The thread has strayed from the topic, and Soarcer's proposed would offer a chance to bypass the problem of taking the data transmitted by the Bosch controller and transmitting it to the Garmin devices. Unfortunately, Soarcer has not reported on the progress of the work for some time. Perhaps he has resigned?

 

[nmvmira]

The problem is that there is no assurance that these types of petitions will ever reach anyone at Bosch, especially anyone in decision-making. It's like posting a notice on a fence somewhere on a side street.

The thread has strayed from the topic, and Soarcer's proposed would offer a chance to bypass the problem of taking the data transmitted by the Bosch controller and transmitting it to the Garmin devices. Unfortunately, Soarcer has not reported on the progress of the work for some time. Perhaps he has resigned?

I don't disagree with you. It may wave no result whatsoever, and everything stays exactly the way it is now, but of one thing I am sure: If we do nothing to change this, then we should expect nothing.
If Bosch starts broadcasting on an open protocol, wouldn't it also help with the project in this thread?

 

[donald.o]

That mess is the reason I'd not buy anything than Specialized with full Garmin support, as I want rider power to use for my training planning.


Garmins supports ANT+ and BLE.
Bosch has no BLE, just BT?
With BLE<>BLE you'd not need to care for pairing I think.

I would maybe look into trying to decode the signal on the cable connection between Bosch engine and display. With a bit of luck that's standard CAN. Reverse engineering CAN frames would be easy.
There are also contactless CAN clamps if you don't want to cut the wires.
Then maybe trying to find a linux compatible SoC with CAN and BLE/ANT support.
Then you'd need a bit of programming, housing and power supply...

When I decide to change my emtb, Bosch is for sure not an option for me any more. The mindless decision to produce a data island with no connectivity whatsoever in this connected world is totally crazy. I'm older rider (60+) and my metrics are very important for training planning and tracking. So only systems that provide connectivity come into consideration, like Brose and Specialized.

 

[donald.o]

I started a petition for this, but it doesn't seem to have any traction. I guess people just like to complain but don't actually take any steps to solve their own issues.

Anyhow, here's the petition: Petition Bosch, Unlock Our Data!

I have signed. Hope it goes through to Bosch.