Pivot Shuttle LT

[Ou812]

I’ve been waiting on this bike for a bit now, basically ever since a little bird told me Pivot was switching to Bosch. I like everything about the bike, it looks awesome…..minus the boneheaded decision to not use the Gen 5 motor/battery. I don’t get it, the Shuttle AM is even in Bosch’s release video for the gen 5 with an adapter plate to run the new motor. I’ve been told it will be releasing next spring with the updated motor. I can get Pivot bikes at cost but I still don’t see it being worth it until they update the motor.

 

[killerade]

 

[TurdFarmer]

And they say it again, 60% more power. What a load of shit.

 

[Dax]

And they say it again, 60% more power. What a load of shit.

The regular motor has 340% assist? The race motor has 400% assist? So this one has 60% more!

 

[TurdFarmer]

The regular motor has 340% assist? The race motor has 400% assist? So this one has 60% more!

Power and assistance aren't the same thing.

 

[rzr]

60pp more assistance (not 60% more!, it's only 17% more assistance), max power is the same,
And full power is available even on second lowest mode - Tour without hard trying, so that 400% assistance is useful for very lazy people or weaker/smaller riders.

CX Race churns out the same 85 Nm of torque and 600 Watts peak power as the conventional model but offers up to 400 % maximum pedal assistance in Race mode rather than 340%.

 

[kntr]

That video is like they are trying to justify that they screwed up and are trying to convince customers to buy the LT. If they were gonna make it the best and lightest race bike it would have the lighter 800wh battery and the Race motor.

I just wish it had the 800wh battery and the gen5 Bosch. Ill be ordering a Trek.

And the charging port is in a TERRIBLE spot. OMG did they screw up this bike. Dang it. I wanted it so bad.

 

[Lightme]

I really wanted it too. Just say you thought the gen 4 race was a good idea. The problem is almost no one else does. So if you pay $22k AUD for the top spec model, it’ll almost immediately have a resale value of less than half that. I can’t handle that instant devaluation. Just like a car, it’s not like you keep a bike forever. Resale value matters.

 

[mrhaboobi]

I really wanted it too. Just say you thought the gen 4 race was a good idea. The problem is almost no one else does. So if you pay $22k AUD for the top spec model, it’ll almost immediately have a resale value of less than half that. I can’t handle that instant devaluation. Just like a car, it’s not like you keep a bike forever. Resale value matters.

Resale isn't going to matter IMO with ebikes, gen4, gen 5, irrespective anyone buying an ebike is not going to want to buy used because of the risk of motors and lack of warranty. I cant see a market for expensive used ebikes. Im looking at the shuttle AM with the Gen 4 and the LT with the race, but i want the nimbleness of the shuttle. i can get a good deal on the AM and really whats holding me back is will the gen 4 still get software improvements, eg the walk + hold improvements, maybe a NM boost which is rumoured for the Gen 5. As it stands the AM gen 4 rides so well, has enough grunt to get me to where i want to go, i fear im falling into the "fomo of the next thing that comes along that i miss out on" with no real tangible benefit to hold out longer.

 

[Ou812]

I was chatting with my mate in the US last night, he’s a gold level Pivot dealer. He said he foresees the LT to be discounted by the summer time, evidently they’re not selling. He had 2 customers cancel their pre-order as soon as they found out it wasn’t going to have the new motor on it.

 

[Dax]

As it stands the AM gen 4 rides so well, has enough grunt to get me to where i want to go, i fear im falling into the "fomo of the next thing that comes along that i miss out on" with no real tangible benefit to hold out longer.

This is what people are missing when just comparing bikes on the internet. The AM rides MUCH better than any other full fat I’ve tried. I’d rather take the bike that rides well, than the one that people on the internet think is better because it has a newer motor.

That said, I have nfi what Pivot are thinking launching a new bike with an old motor

 

[GravityCat]

I demoed the AM and LT with high anticipation but was as disappointed as everyone in here. These releases add the same of what's already in ample supply at a delusional premium. Sure you get the Pivot ride quality and the trademark agility but neither of these bikes are escaping the "full fat" bottom line nor are they cutting edge to fetch such lust.

Perhaps the motor thing is a hicup between Bosch and Pivot. And in all sincerity, although the Race motor is still a top choice today, the release goes against the current market development...and the video for why the race motor was just lame. Like no one would pick-up a race motor when they find out that Gen 5's updates are worthwhile...and perhaps those same updates can be soon had in the race package (if it matters).

Back to full fat though, the AM (49.5lb) and LT (52.2lb) ride like a fit wild boar (one with slightly longer legs). Earlier this year I had the chance to try several full and mid power ebikes and they all feel closer to a moto then an actual bike (bar some exceptions). Many eMTBers don't seem to mind the weight. I'd say the LT should be a sub 45ish LB bike...because anything above that gets you closer to sluggish no matter how agile you try to make it. Or we should have at least seen an attempt in that direction. I just don't know why such a fun-factor company doesn't have a longer travel and lighter eMTB?

Taking a 3 year old model and making it refined isn't what you need in fast a developing market. Maybe they are working on something else, because this LT release is just out of character for Pivot.

 

[Lightme]

For me it’s about the battery as much as it is the motor. The newer batteries have a higher energy density.

I can only guess Pivot got all these motors cheaply. They must have known the reputational damage they’d suffer. Sales must be really low.

 

[mrhaboobi]

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I demoed the AM and LT with high anticipation but was as disappointed as everyone in here. These releases add the same of what's already in ample supply at a delusional premium. Sure you get the Pivot ride quality and the trademark agility but neither of these bikes are escaping the "full fat" bottom line nor are they cutting edge to fetch such lust.

Perhaps the motor thing is a hicup between Bosch and Pivot. And in all sincerity, although the Race motor is still a top choice today, the release goes against the current market development...and the video for why the race motor was just lame. Like no one would pick-up a race motor when they find out that Gen 5's updates are worthwhile...and perhaps those same updates can be soon had in the race package (if it matters).

Back to full fat though, the AM (49.5lb) and LT (52.2lb) ride like a fit wild boar (one with slightly longer legs). Earlier this year I had the chance to try several full and mid power ebikes and they all feel closer to a moto then an actual bike (bar some exceptions). Many eMTBers don't seem to mind the weight. I'd say the LT should be a sub 45ish LB bike...because anything above that gets you closer to sluggish no matter how agile you try to make it. Or we should have at least seen an attempt in that direction. I just don't know why such a fun-factor company doesn't have a longer travel and lighter eMTB?

Taking a 3 year old model and making it refined isn't what you need in fast a developing market. Maybe they are working on something else, because this LT release is just out of character for Pivot.

What size did you demo out of interest, I downsized to medium ( 181cm ) for my AM demo. I found the shuttle am to feel significantly lighter than its weight, was fun, very easy to manoeuvre on the trails and had more than enough power ( more than my levo had anyways ). Lt is of interest to me but can’t demo locally so wondering the difference you felt between the two?

 

[GravityCat]

Both were size L. The AM was a Team build with carbon rims while the LT was a Pro build. I am very accustomed to the L Firebird so the L LT felt very familiar. The riding position is the same and the LT moved in the same manner but with more mass/effort. I've spent sometime on the M Firebird and preferred the large for better reach and wheelbase. I also have time on the previous Switchblade but not the current model. The L AM felt a little calmer and more planted than the LT, maybe it's the longer chainstay. Pivot makes bikes with sufficient agility that I feel downsizing from L to M for 183cm takes away some of the composure needed in many riding scenarios. For example, you find the limit of your weight shift when breaking a lot faster on a M then on a L. In the end, this is mostly a personal preference.

That said, there were 4 takeaways from riding the AM and LT back to back:
1. Both bikes are too fat for the Float X and a burlier shock is warranted in ALL builds. The same goes for the
Fox 36 on the AM. It does the job but can use added stiffness when gravity calls.
2. Carbon rims liven up both bikes.
3. XT Isn't enough for many hard breaking situations.
4. I don't see value in getting the AM. Although it climbs a little better, the LT's extra travel, burlier fork, and livelier handling comes in handy more often than not even on tamer trails.