Orbea Rise Mullet

[Tommy.tcm]

Hi all,

I have a rise M10 in size large, pretty much as stock apart from new handle bars, grips, pedals, swapped the Dissector to the rear and added a minion on the front.

Im not a super tech bike guy so I was looking for advice, ive been riding a mullet setup for years, it just feels right to me and I was hoping to make my Rise a mullet too.
Dont want to mess with the geo, or mess with it as little as possible.

Assuming im going to have to change the rear shock and of course get my wheel built with a 27.5 rim, anything else I should be doing?
Do I need to be doing something with the front end? (fox 36)

Ive seen a video and a few posts from another user with a mullet setup, but I dont quote follow the process, im crazy busy with work and dont have a huge amount fo time to put into it, I just want that mullet goodness when I have that shred time!
Hopefully something fairly straight forwards would be a dream.
Sometimes the numbers stuff goes a little over my head!

Any advice, tips from anyone else who has tried this or has done a mullet on their Rise would be really appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

 

[Ducman71]

Worth a look: Orbea Rise MX Mullet Bike

 

[Tommy.tcm]

Thanks @Ducman71, I've seen this, although from watching that video i wasn't quite sure if the front end had been changed.
I spotted last night Mike has done his highly anticipated follow up video to the setup.
if anyones interested..


As far as i can tell its a new shock, bushing, wheel and tyre and should be good to go.

if anyone else has any input that would be appreciated!

 

[Snowball]

Here’s my tips.
fit a 9.5 x 2.5 shock. 216 x 63mm. Ohlins coil no issues. Spring rate will actually be a bit less due to increased stroke.

fit one offset bush in rear position otherwise the rear links touch and you also need to compress the shock to fit. So that 1-2mm really helps.

I fitted a 160mm Lyrik. Same axle to crown as the fox 36 150mm. So I wouldn’t say is a must but more balanced travel wise.

I also fitted a 34T chainring. This increases clearance and should pedal better. Ratio is fine with 51T rear.

Be careful. E13 34T ring touches the chain guide bolts. I’m sure that’s why someone’s chainring failed. Remove the washers under the guide for thinner ones. I spaced the upper guide instead.

 

[DarrenCC]

I’m curious as to why you want to go to these lengths, the stock 29 bike rides amazingly. A friend of mine has mulleted his cannondale moterra and lengthened the fork and I just don’t get it.

 

[Snowball]

Two reasons. One my Bronson is a mullet and can’t be made into a 29er I don’t want to ride different wheeled bikes and I can share the wheels between them. Two I have short legs. Technically that’s 3 things.

 

[Matthew87]

I have a 27.5 wheel on the way for mine. Gonna ride it mullet with the original spec. I think it will be really good!

 

[DarrenCC]

Short legs is a reason, but it seems like a short cut to pedal strike city. My friend also noticed it has changed (lowered) his motor cutout speed due to the smaller wheel circumference.
Good luck with the tinkering though, it’s interesting to see what people do with their bikes. I am aiming to change my fork for a 160 Mezzer at some point and was also considering a coil shock. That said, the stock Fox 34 is sooo much better than the 34 on my Levo SL. I’m wondering if it has better internals, the evol sticker suggests a larger negative chamber?
Nerds, confirm please ?

 

[Snowball]

BB is same as stock as the shock is longer. About 340mm. But yep the higher speed is reduced. No issue where I ride, steep hot and humid. if I lived somewhere flat and cooler I would keep 29er.

 

[Shjay]

Have been riding mine mulleted with standard shock & forks at 160mm BB low but been ok. Put the longer shock on with offset bushing but not had a chance to ride yet!

 

[Tonybro]

BB is same as stock as the shock is longer. About 340mm. But yep the higher speed is reduced. No issue where I ride, steep hot and humid. if I lived somewhere flat and cooler I would keep 29er.

Use ST Unlocker to reset/adjust the wheel circumference and gain your legal assistance level back

 

[Shjay]

With the 216x63 shock & one offset bushing, the rear is with a NN 2.6 tyre

 

[finky]

Use ST Unlocker to reset/adjust the wheel circumference and gain your legal assistance level back

Do you have to downgrade firmware to do this?

 

[Tonybro]

No, it is a standard feature of the basic version of the app.

You have a circumference stated and you can set an adjustment up or down from that in percentage terms...

 

[Shjay]

Gone back to 29er front & rear with 140mm coil, loving it, guess it’s more the rear shock

 

[westcoastmtbr]

I'm always curious as to why we buy a bike only to want to change everything about it, and my it's does sometimes cost more to get a comprised bike. The lowered bottom bracket, ST Blocker software changes, new wheel, new coil shock, new, new, plus a local shop to sometimes get it all in place. Why not just buy a mullet bike to begin with? Seems to me the Rise is perfect as is, and as intended. Having it be something else and screwing with the Geo (lower bb, shorter reach....) for a bike at this price range just warrants getting a full FAT ebike and enjoying both. Am I wrong?

 

[George_KSL]

I'm always curious as to why we buy a bike only to want to change everything about it, and my it's does sometimes cost more to get a comprised bike. The lowered bottom bracket, ST Blocker software changes, new wheel, new coil shock, new, new, plus a local shop to sometimes get it all in place. Why not just buy a mullet bike to begin with? Seems to me the Rise is perfect as is, and as intended. Having it be something else and screwing with the Geo (lower bb, shorter reach....) for a bike at this price range just warrants getting a full FAT ebike and enjoying both. Am I wrong?

Yes you are (wrong) ;- ). If people wanted full-fat mullet, they would buy it, or do you presume to know better than people who actually make these builds?
There are plenty of niches, and as for example Ski world shows, you can have 20 types of Freeride skis alone. In light-weight E-bikes, we currently have very few bikes. So if you have a particular preference (light-weight, powerful but very capable) but no bike on market fits all those, you buy the one that fits the most and adjust the rest. Kenevo SL are lightweight, capable but not powerful. Orbea Rise is light-weight, powerful but not exactly "capable" in true sense as it's a trail bike. Mullet and up-suspension it, and you have mini-enduro.

Should Orbea right now offer light-weight e-mtb version of Rallon (just like Rise if e-version of Occam), those same people would buy that bike instead. Since it doesn't exist, people will modify the closest near.

"As intended" is non-sense, that's just base mark. Why do people modify Wranglers, Land Cruisers, etc.. ? With winches, more armor, higher suspension, bigger tyres? Those cars are capable as they come, but some want more. Doesn't mean they want to buy longer wheel-based Raptor F150 instead. It's perfectly easy to fall in-between of different needs.

Also, everything has solution to at least partially offset any drawbacks. Lower BB ? = Longer shock, bigger tyre. Shorter reach? By the larger size if you're in-between (Large vs Medium, etc..).

Being curious is great but I read these often as veiled criticisms accusing people of being clueless, when it's the exact opposite. These modifications are most often done by people who know exactly what they want, and know exactly how to achieve it.

It's personal thing, no one is forced to change anything about their bike, bar buying a set of pedals. For others, buying is merely a starting point of long mechanical journey.

As to why not two different bikes, well, for me particularly, I want one quiver do it all bike. I often do jumpy DH trails on same day as I do quick relaxing trails, in single ride. I don't want to chose one specialist bike and box myself into particular way of riding it, I want one universal bike that might just be 70perc. as good at each, but for me that's exactly what I am after.
I don't have a soft-powder ski and skinny resort skis either, I have one universal set of freeride skis that are damp enough to charge groomers, as well as do powder-day freerides in backcountry. Not perfect on either, but pretty damn good at each anyway and I don't have to choose or maintain multiple sets (and particularly notable, with car full of family and their gear, it just multiplies).

 

[westcoastmtbr]

Yes you are (wrong) ;- ). If people wanted full-fat mullet, they would buy it, or do you presume to know better than people who actually make these builds?
There are plenty of niches, and as for example Ski world shows, you can have 20 types of Freeride skis alone. In light-weight E-bikes, we currently have very few bikes. So if you have a particular preference (light-weight, powerful but very capable) but no bike on market fits all those, you buy the one that fits the most and adjust the rest. Kenevo SL are lightweight, capable but not powerful. Orbea Rise is light-weight, powerful but not exactly "capable" in true sense as it's a trail bike. Mullet and up-suspension it, and you have mini-enduro.

Should Orbea right now offer light-weight e-mtb version of Rallon (just like Rise if e-version of Occam), those same people would buy that bike instead. Since it doesn't exist, people will modify the closest near.

"As intended" is non-sense, that's just base mark. Why do people modify Wranglers, Land Cruisers, etc.. ? With winches, more armor, higher suspension, bigger tyres? Those cars are capable as they come, but some want more. Doesn't mean they want to buy longer wheel-based Raptor F150 instead. It's perfectly easy to fall in-between of different needs.

Also, everything has solution to at least partially offset any drawbacks. Lower BB ? = Longer shock, bigger tyre. Shorter reach? By the larger size if you're in-between (Large vs Medium, etc..).

Being curious is great but I read these often as veiled criticisms accusing people of being clueless, when it's the exact opposite. These modifications are most often done by people who know exactly what they want, and know exactly how to achieve it.

It's personal thing, no one is forced to change anything about their bike, bar buying a set of pedals. For others, buying is merely a starting point of long mechanical journey.

I agree with your points, my insight is that the Rise is a great trail bike, and if you wanted an Enduro bike, you can buy a bike designed to be an Enduro bike from design. The Yeti comes to mind. I do like finding out how many are modifying their bikes however

 

[George_KSL]

When you take 17.5 kg Rise, and modify it into mini-enduro Rise, you end up with 18.5-19kg Rise, which is still 3-4KG of equal capability full-fat bike like the Yeti :- ).
(I know there are people claiming 21KG Full-fat Levos, but those people cheat in these comparison, particularly with light-weight wheelset and paper-weight EXO tires, so not a fair comparison, the 3 KG difference never vanishes if capability is equal)

Right now, the only light-weight e-enduros are Kenevo SL, with low power motor (good enough for me, but not for those who buy Rise) and E/G-375 Rotwilds, the latter technically fits all check-boxes but it's fairly new, hard to get and rather expensive bike.

 

[R120]

I think a Rotwild 365 could be in your future.

Basically the Rise and the Kenevo SL had a love child, you would get the Rotwild, plus you can remove the battery easily

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It’s a relatively unknown bike brand outside Germany, but they make some of the best bikes out there

 

[westcoastmtbr]

Yep. These guys are really knocking it out of the ballpark like Orbea too. I am wondering about the EP8 tune Orbea does, but thought the Shimano app, you can turn down the torque settings to mimic the Rise? Not sure how much the EP tune makes a difference but the "love child" is born and raised!

I think a Rotwild 365 could be in your future.

Basically the Rise and the Kenevo SL had a love child, you would get the Rotwild, plus you can remove the battery easily

ROTWILD R.E375 PRO The daredevil

Dynamik, Effizienz, Performance und eigenständige technische Lösungen haben ROTWILD Mountainbikes von Beginn an zu begehrten Begleitern auf den Trails und Rennstrecken dieser Welt gemacht.

www.rotwild.com

It’s a relatively unknown bike brand outside Germany, but they make some of the best bikes out there

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Yep. These guys are really knocking it out of the ballpark like Orbea too. I am wondering about the EP8 tune Orbea does, but thought the Shimano app, you can turn down the torque settings to mimic the Rise? Not sure how much the EP tune makes a difference but the "love child" is born and raised!

 

[carlbiker]

Yep. These guys are really knocking it out of the ballpark like Orbea too. I am wondering about the EP8 tune Orbea does, but thought the Shimano app, you can turn down the torque settings to mimic the Rise? Not sure how much the EP tune makes a difference but the "love child" is born and raised!

Yep. These guys are really knocking it out of the ballpark like Orbea too. I am wondering about the EP8 tune Orbea does, but thought the Shimano app, you can turn down the torque settings to mimic the Rise? Not sure how much the EP tune makes a difference but the "love child" is born and raised!

Well, simply go the other way and love tune the rise to allow 85nm ?

The chap who did that mullet video above has done the same thing, haven’t myself (yet!) but very appealing must say

 

[b45her]

I’m curious as to why you want to go to these lengths, the stock 29 bike rides amazingly. A friend of mine has mulleted his cannondale moterra and lengthened the fork and I just don’t get it.

Fashion, Mullets are so hot right now

 

[Snowrydr01]

With the 216x63 shock & one offset bushing, the rear is with a NN 2.6 tyre

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[Shjay]

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[Wild-Fins]

My friend converted his M10 Medium to mullet setup based on users feedback on this forum for a couple weeks now.
Front Fork Fox 36 160mm / Rear Shock Push Coil 160mm = 216x63mm (8.5x2.5) with one offset bushing (tail).

In the past couple rides, he started to hear some weird friction noise below the frame when going over some bumps and so did I when I took the bike for a ride. So we looked closer and found that the rear shock coil has come into contact with the frame and has left some marks under the top tube. We are a bit concerned as wondering if it would cause any damage to the carbon frame.

Anybody has experienced with this issue and how would you resolve it?

 

[DarrenCC]

Putting the original shock back on would resolve it

 

[Bencab]

My friend converted his M10 Medium to mullet setup based on users feedback on this forum for a couple weeks now.
Front Fork Fox 36 160mm / Rear Shock Plush Coil 160mm = 216x63mm (8.5x2.5) with one offset bushing (tail).

In the past couple rides, he started to hear some weird friction noise below the frame when going over some bumps and so did I when I took the bike for a ride. So we looked closer and found that the rear shock coil has come into contact with the frame and has left some marks under the top tube. We are a bit concerned as wondering if it would cause any damage to the carbon frame.

Anybody has experienced with this issue and how would you resolve it?

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You should have check with Push before bolting it on because when I inquired Push specifically told me that the 11/6 is not compatible with medium Rise. Agree with previous post, remove the Push shock. If you want to go coil, Storia and Ohlins have no coil rubbing issues on my medium Rise.

 

[Wild-Fins]

So my friend added an offset bushing at the top along with a FOX SLS coil and the clearance (visually) seems to be better compared to before... see pic attached. Now let's see how it would perform on the trails...

 

[Chicane]

Gone back to 29er front & rear with 140mm coil, loving it, guess it’s more the rear shock

Wha didn‘t you like about the mullet and could it have been the 2.6 tire? Any thoughts of running 29er at 160mm with 2 offset bushings.