Orbea Rise - heavier riders (108kg+)? A fit?

[Gee_Whiz]

Considering an Orbea rise or Levo SL due to the trails in my area not being super elevated or technical (mostly green-blue, some black, no double), so figured a full moto bike may be a bit much; would this bike be a good fit for the purpose, or is a heavier ebike going to be a better move potentially?

 

[chrismechmaster]

I think your be fine I am normally around 90 ish kgs but since the lockdowns etc my weigh has gone up to around 100 kgs , still find my orbea rise perfect
I also have a full fat ebike but prefer the orbea rise any day

 

[BiGJZ74]

I'm a lot heavier than that and the Rise will be perfect. I have a Trek rail as well but never use anything but trail and eco. getting the Range Extender so range will be better than the 625wh battery on the Rail as I'll have close to 800 on the Rise H.

 

[Gee_Whiz]

I'm a lot heavier than that and the Rise will be perfect. I have a Trek rail as well but never use anything but trail and eco. getting the Range Extender so range will be better than the 625wh battery on the Rail as I'll have close to 800 on the Rise H.

Thanks! Which Rise model are you looking at currently?

 

[BiGJZ74]

Thanks! Which Rise model are you looking at currently?

Rise H15, which should arrive by Monday.

 

[Cavi]

I am around 120kg and I ride a Rise M20 and love it I had a Levo before and the Rise is much better. Even though we are heavy the laighter bike deffinitly handles much better, the Levo felt like a freight train....

 

[Gee_Whiz]

I am around 120kg and I ride a Rise M20 and love it I had a Levo before and the Rise is much better. Even though we are heavy the laighter bike deffinitly handles much better, the Levo felt like a freight train....

Thanks! Are you able to pedal off of the motor on flats or does it still feel like an ebike mostly?

 

[chrismechmaster]

Thanks! Are you able to pedal off of the motor on flats or does it still feel like an ebike mostly?

The rise is very easy to pedal in off mode most of the time on the flat i ride in off mode

 

[MikeL_mtb]

How many miles do you typically ride at a time? I am heavier, have a M10 and have also ridden a yt decoy, if you want a bike, where the bike is going to do most of the work, don't get a rise, you definetly need to put more in, to get more out on it, BUT it is sooo much more fun of a bike than the yt, it feels like a regular bike when it comes to turns, jumps, playing around, even descending, the YT decends with more confidence because it's like a tank (even with similar geo on paper, it's the 29/29 version), I still prefer the rise.
Now onto range, you can suck the life out of the battery even on flatish trails if you're using trail with the torque turned up, or boost. ECO will get you a lot of miles, but expect to probably be going about the same pace as you would on a pedal bike. We have lots of rolling hills, but punchy short climbs inbetween, and I have been trying to do fun rides but keep my HR lower, in an attempt to burn more fat, since on the pedal bike, I was always spiking my HR because there is no long sustained parts. If I run in boost, it's very easy to do this because you can pedal a bit, coast, pedal, coast and you keep a decent speed and low HR, in Trail, you pedal more but have to plan your gearing well, if you keep it in the 70-85 rpm range, the assistance helps and you can cruise along. Now I haven't done a full on 100-0% range test, but it's going to be about 25-30 miles at most using mostly trail, with some eco/boost mixed in a bit, all Boost is about half that. (granted you can tweak the assistance and torque settings per mode, so you can probably optimize this, if it's a real problem).
That's just on internal, I will probably pick up the extender to have it around, I think once it's warm, I'm going to want to go out for longer days. That's a long way of saying, that the range calculated in claiming feet doesn't apply to all trails, lol, for me, I get about 1000ft every 12-13 miles. I'd love to ride an H, because I don't think the extra weight is going to be noticeable on bike, and the capacity is always nice.

 

[Gee_Whiz]

How many miles do you typically ride at a time? I am heavier, have a M10 and have also ridden a yt decoy, if you want a bike, where the bike is going to do most of the work, don't get a rise, you definetly need to put more in, to get more out on it, BUT it is sooo much more fun of a bike than the yt, it feels like a regular bike when it comes to turns, jumps, playing around, even descending, the YT decends with more confidence because it's like a tank (even with similar geo on paper, it's the 29/29 version), I still prefer the rise.
Now onto range, you can suck the life out of the battery even on flatish trails if you're using trail with the torque turned up, or boost. ECO will get you a lot of miles, but expect to probably be going about the same pace as you would on a pedal bike. We have lots of rolling hills, but punchy short climbs inbetween, and I have been trying to do fun rides but keep my HR lower, in an attempt to burn more fat, since on the pedal bike, I was always spiking my HR because there is no long sustained parts. If I run in boost, it's very easy to do this because you can pedal a bit, coast, pedal, coast and you keep a decent speed and low HR, in Trail, you pedal more but have to plan your gearing well, if you keep it in the 70-85 rpm range, the assistance helps and you can cruise along. Now I haven't done a full on 100-0% range test, but it's going to be about 25-30 miles at most using mostly trail, with some eco/boost mixed in a bit, all Boost is about half that. (granted you can tweak the assistance and torque settings per mode, so you can probably optimize this, if it's a real problem).
That's just on internal, I will probably pick up the extender to have it around, I think once it's warm, I'm going to want to go out for longer days. That's a long way of saying, that the range calculated in claiming feet doesn't apply to all trails, lol, for me, I get about 1000ft every 12-13 miles. I'd love to ride an H, because I don't think the extra weight is going to be noticeable on bike, and the capacity is always nice.

I'm not sure about range yet, as I haven't ridden an eMTB in awhile. I'm trying to figure if a Rise+higher quality tires, an upgrade in brakes+pedals+extended battery is close enough in weight to an e160 or Rail, etc where it makes more sense to just get the heavier bike. It sounds like the current battery will run on trail/boost around 3hours, maybe longer if youre on flats and mix in boost. It's a really interesting equasion. appreciate the insights!

 

[MikeL_mtb]

I'm not sure about range yet, as I haven't ridden an eMTB in awhile. I'm trying to figure if a Rise+higher quality tires, an upgrade in brakes+pedals+extended battery is close enough in weight to an e160 or Rail, etc where it makes more sense to just get the heavier bike. It sounds like the current battery will run on trail/boost around 3hours, maybe longer if youre on flats and mix in boost. It's a really interesting equasion. appreciate the insights!

The Rise Carbon will be at least 5lbs, probably closer to 7-8lbs lighter, but for me, the scale weight isn't as important as how they feel, imagine your regular bike with a 10lb weight stuck in the downtube, that's what's more noticeable, the "full fat" ebikes also use a heavier fork, and usually heavier wheelsets, so it all adds up, and while you could take one and put lighter parts on it, that would add up to a LOT of $$. The carbon rise is actually a very good value for the build compared to most.

 

[BiGJZ74]

Even after upgrades my Rise H15 will be ~10 pounds lighter than my Rail 7 (54.7lbs.) Once I get my Range Extender I'll have 792wh vs 625wh on my Rail 7. Since I typically only ride the Rail in Eco/Emtb lite(trail/tour equivalent) I should get a lot more range on my Rise.

 

[MikeL_mtb]

I should also point out though, that the YT decoy has massive 458 chainstay's even in a medium, which plays into the tank feeling, the Orbea and Trek have more reasonable 445-448 range, sometime small but important details are easy to forget about.

 

[Gee_Whiz]

Even after upgrades my Rise H15 will be ~10 pounds lighter than my Rail 7 (54.7lbs.) Once I get my Range Extender I'll have 792wh vs 625wh on my Rail 7. Since I typically only ride the Rail in Eco/Emtb lite(trail/tour equivalent) I should get a lot more range on my Rise.

Hmm so the alloy Rise's appear to be really good value then at just a few high lbs/kg.. Thats pretty cool

 

[Gee_Whiz]

I should also point out though, that the YT decoy has massive 458 chainstay's even in a medium, which plays into the tank feeling, the Orbea and Trek have more reasonable 445-448 range, sometime small but important details are easy to forget about.

This is a great note! Its why I avoided the new Norco's.. the chainstays are very long SUVish

 

[Moshe]

Considering an Orbea rise or Levo SL due to the trails in my area not being super elevated or technical (mostly green-blue, some black, no double), so figured a full moto bike may be a bit much; would this bike be a good fit for the purpose, or is a heavier ebike going to be a better move potentially?

I weigh 145kgs and love my Kenevo SL Comp. I usually weigh around 130kgs but I gained weight this winter. I need to lose a little before the weather warms enough in Ohio to ride again. The frame is rated at 136kgs. Even at 195cm tall and normally 130 kgs, the lighter emtbs feel much better than the heavier full-powered ebikes.

 

[Gee_Whiz]

I weigh 145kgs and love my Kenevo SL Comp. I usually weigh around 130kgs but I gained weight this winter. I need to lose a little before the weather warms enough in Ohio to ride again. The frame is rated at 136kgs. Even at 195cm tall and normally 130 kgs, the lighter emtbs feel much better than the heavier full-powered ebikes.

This is excellent info; TY; also, I'm curious.. how well do you feel your Kenevo climbs? Do you think its a bit too slack or works well for your purposes?