New Spectral On

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Nothing official yet but an advert in next months MBUK for the new model, fully integrated battery, looks like new Carbon Frame and similar aesthetic updates to the new Neuron On

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miPbiP

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kinda miss the current one, it was special in an "only a mother could love" way.

nearly bought one but got too many pedal strikes when I tried it.
 
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Nice clean lines (much smarter looking than a Decoy) shame it will be putting on the lbs (kilos).
And yes, it does bloody matter when you're lifting into the car and over gates and stiles and you're of an age that the UK Government is thinking of quarantining for the next four months.
 

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It might turn out to be lighter - the carbon frame and fact the Shimano motor and 504wh battery are a pretty lightweight combo in themselves, and how the old one is pretty heavily built up in terms of frame material might no mean it’s a backward step like a lot of the newer bikes
 

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It might turn out to be lighter - the carbon frame and fact the Shimano motor and 504wh battery are a pretty lightweight combo in themselves, and how the old one is pretty heavily built up in terms of frame material might no mean it’s a backward step like a lot of the newer bikes

You were right about the weight R120, although my old Spectral On is sub 20 kilos when I place it in and remove it from my car as I remove the battery. Still, it is clearly good news.
If it rides as well as the old one and gets the new (Shimano) motor next year, where hopefully the main improvement is in reliability, then it will tick lots of boxes.
If I get through this virus scare without you yougsters killing me off I might treat myself to one for my 75th birthday.:cry:
 

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I think that the current crop of updated bikes being released with the current Shimano system lends credence to the rumours that the new system which is supposed to be released later this year will use the existing mounting system - I cant see companies like Canyon massively investing in new Carbon frames etc if they are going to have do another redesign in short order.
 

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They seem to have left the best choices of colors for the next model with new motor also.
But the looks and one kilo less are all good. ?
 

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looks decent although i’d have liked to have seen a bigger battery.
One thing i’m not keen on is the all in one handlebar / stem, it just looks odd.
 

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It's almost as light as a 2018 aluminium Vitus E-sommet with the added bonus of having trail bike geometry from 2016. Well done Canyon.
At least it's a grand cheaper than the budget Emtb of the year.
Only kidding it looks not bad at all if its the sort of 150nm bike you're after.
 

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And with a smart choice of flat pedals it might be capable of winning races ?.
I see 150 mm as ideal for trail riding with 29 wheels, a little less travel feels like a little more control over the front end for me, and this must be a very good feeling behind these airplane inspired control bars
 

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Older model was terrible climber and overall the bike felt really unsorted geometry wise when I rode one for one full day in Spain. Considering it even has old laggy Shimano motor I don’t see the changes made would be drastic enough to make me to consider this bike at all. There are way better options available.
 

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Two examples of climbing body stance:

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This from a test of the new spectral.
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And this from a coaching site.
Any bike will climb like a goat if you ride like pic 2 but will be a PITA if you do like pic 1.
The spectral geometry is designed so that the rider rides the bike but there are many other designs intended to make the bike ride the rider and make it look more easy.
Unfortunatelly, the tester on pic complained about the saddle and then about seatpost travel because of the saddle when simply changing the saddle would solve both problems at once.
To me, it seems canyon chose some components like the saddle and rear tyre that makes things easyer for the first time ebikers, but can be swapped to fit the likes of more skilled riders.
 

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Also seems fashionable just now to complain about E8000 assistance lag. when in reality for any decently skilled actual mountainbiker it's a complete non issue.

#Ebikearseholery
Owning two e mountainbikes one with Shimano motor and one with new Bosch motor I disagree. Same technical climb on Shimano is more difficult and biggest difference is the lag of the motor. You can live with it if you don’t know better. When you learn to use the direct assistance of new Bosch motor there’s no going back to Shimano.
 

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I disagree.
Same technical climb on Shimano is more difficult
Disagree all you like but be fully aware you're disagreeing with another person's personal preference. You might as well waste your time trying to convincing me heavily overweight girls are better in bed. ;)
Just like obese females I have actually ridden the new bosch and still prefer the more subtle way the shimano begins assisting, tapers and cuts in/out. My bias of preference is partly because I'm incredibly used to it (the motor, not big girls) and partly because I've learned it's behaviour how to use it to my advantage.
It's nothing to do with "living with it" or "not knowing better"
Ever stopped to think that perhaps some of us actually enjoy a challenge? and spending time learning how something works to use it to it's full advantage? stuff like planning ahead, line choice, bdy position, weight placement, foot position, timing pedal strokes and applying the correct amount of torque to hold grip is all part of that challenge. Take track standing as a small example, something which is not just handy for looking cool at traffic lights but is also incredibly useful while climbing genuinely technical terrain. And because of this I happen find the Shimano motor more naturally intuitive.

I know folk want instant everything these days with little actual effort required but the "direct assistance" you refer to has just as many negatives as positives.
 

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Ever stopped to think that perhaps some of us actually enjoy a challenge? and spending time learning how something works to use it to it's full advantage? stuff like planning ahead, line choice, bdy position, weight placement, foot position, timing pedal strokes and applying the correct amount of torque to hold grip is all part of that challenge.

I've read this several times and I still can't decide if you're talking about the bike or the fat bird ?

Incidentally, if you meant the fat bird, then I think you meant "talk" not "torque" .. but I'm maybe confusing dialects ?
 

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Disagree all you like but be fully aware you're disagreeing with another person's personal preference. You might as well waste your time trying to convincing me heavily overweight girls are better in bed. ;)
Just like obese females I have actually ridden the new bosch and still prefer the more subtle way the shimano begins assisting, tapers and cuts in/out. My bias of preference is partly because I'm incredibly used to it (the motor, not big girls) and partly because I've learned it's behaviour how to use it to my advantage.
It's nothing to do with "living with it" or "not knowing better"
Ever stopped to think that perhaps some of us actually enjoy a challenge? and spending time learning how something works to use it to it's full advantage? stuff like planning ahead, line choice, bdy position, weight placement, foot position, timing pedal strokes and applying the correct amount of torque to hold grip is all part of that challenge. Take track standing as a small example, something which is not just handy for looking cool at traffic lights but is also incredibly useful while climbing genuinely technical terrain. And because of this I happen find the Shimano motor more naturally intuitive.

I know folk want instant everything these days with little actual effort required but the "direct assistance" you refer to has just as many negatives as positives.
I agree.
 

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