New Motor
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You can look at that one of two ways...
- He's lying to you (because he has to) and there is a new EMTB optimised motor coming out next year.
- He's not, there is no new motor and (for EMTBs at least) by end 2019 they will probably have only the fifth best unit behind Brose, Shimano, Yamaha and Fazua.
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No, they would still be ahead of Yamaha
Can you point me to the online article that graph came from please? I am interested to read how they tested, certainly the online reviews of the latest PW-X motor that are based solely on the rider experience indicate it is much improved over it’s predecessor at high cadence.
That was the latest PD-X motor. Haibike has even admitted to it’s dealers how weak the PD-X is compared to their Bosch bikes
I would be interested in reading more detail about this test too. Where is it from?
It's been more than a year since I last rode the PW-X, and I don't remember it dropping off after 80rpm. Or should I say 90rpm, it may not be that noticeable untill 90+ rpm.
I don't see how this graph proves the Performance CX is a better motor for trail riding though. Sure, it could be better for getting to the trail, or going up on fire road. But on technical trails max power output at high cadence isn't very high on my list of what makes an emtb motor good.
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Nothing, it’s all around a really good motor
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It's going to be my 1st ebike and just used for off road rides in the mountains and hill. I'll still have my full sus Transition for bombing down the really rough stuff.
It's so difficult to make a decision ?
All the big emtb motor brands will work, but some will suit your needs/style better. Performance CX is isn't the most refined when it comes to power delivery at high assistance levels. It's quite eager to put out it's power, fun on flow trails, less fun on low speed technical trails. If you drop the assistance level it gets pretty easy to control.
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I shall possibly maybe have an Orbea Wild with the shimano motor from my local bike shop, not the best looker but alot better tin the 2019 red/black colour scheme.... Just waiting to try one for a weekend.
JoshDwnHll
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Bosch always seem to look after the older models so i wouldnt be surprised if their update is just software, i dont believe these motors are working at the top end of their limits i think they have just been limited through software like the new TQ motor on the haibikes
A bit like your previous claim that Spec reinvested all it's profits in R&D I see you have yet to post any sources for any of these statements regarding the Yamaha motor. I therefore dug around and guess what - the graph comes from a Bikerumour
Frankly for the price they are asking I'd expect nothing less.Meanwhile reviews and actual buyers are indicating that (whilst it might not be absolutely best in class at high cadence) the Yamaha motor in the Giant is much improved, and plenty good enough for most of us. Let's face it, most of the time you are not pedalling at cadences >90 anyway. It also comes in with vastly better kit that the Spec at a lower price. Having ridden quite a bit of Bosch at the w/e I am struggling to believe it is not better than that; I really disliked the jerky power delivery and feel at >15mph.
Al, I am teasing a bit; you contribute a lot to this forum for which we are grateful
. However you need to ease of the bashing of non-Specialised bikes/powertrains. There are plenty of good bikes and systems out there now, so good as Specialized are they are not the only show in town. Advocate their benefits, but don't bash their competitiors with "alternative facts".
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The thing with Bosch, is that they dominate the normal E-Bike market, and with good reason. If you ever try a Bosch motored Dutch style bike for example, you will see how good their systems work in these kind of bikes.
Like I said in my earlier post, the main issue with the motor is that it is more difficult to integrate into a frame and maintain similar geometry to a normal bike than some of the other motors, but there are some very good Bosch motored bikes out there, and some people will order the way they deliver their power too.
Same goes for Yamaha, in that some may prefer the power delivery and others won’t - I too am hearing good things about the Giant 2019 bikes, and will be interested to try one.
Like I said in my earlier post, the main issue with the motor is that it is more difficult to integrate into a frame and maintain similar geometry to a normal bike than some of the other motors, but there are some very good Bosch motored bikes out there, and some people will order the way they deliver their power too.
Same goes for Yamaha, in that some may prefer the power delivery and others won’t - I too am hearing good things about the Giant 2019 bikes, and will be interested to try one.
HeatproofGenie
Active member
That power graph is also not very complimentary to Shimano but it is from I've read and seen universally praised by all riders.
I rode the new Levo and the new Brose it had seemed very similar to the Shimano but did seem to do better at high rpm.
I rode the new Levo and the new Brose it had seemed very similar to the Shimano but did seem to do better at high rpm.
neils
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Trust me there is? (2020 bikes will have it)
That was certainly the feeling I got from talking to Whyte at the Cycle show.
NEC Cycle Show 2018 - mini show report - EMTB Forums
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Wiltshire Warrior
E*POWAH Master
Back to the OP what about the magnesium version which was supposed to be a bit lighter and same power?
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