Levo Gen 3 Levo Gen 4 2024 Rumours... And assorted random chat ....

[gbcoke]

I think if Shimano want to stay in the game they will have to release a wireless group soon. Or no high end bikes will have Shimano if they all removing the cable routing..... it's like a big F-U to Shimano

XTR coming December,XT a bit later.
Full Wireless ala Sram, also new brakes, same cassettes as today.
Supposed to be real good and priced below Sram.

 

[irie]

XTR coming December,XT a bit later.
Full Wireless ala Sram, also new brakes, same cassettes as today.
Supposed to be real good and priced below Sram.

(IMO) typical Shimano, coming 2nd to market after letting another company do the initial new product marketing.

 

[gbcoke]

(IMO) typical Shimano, coming 2nd to market after letting another company do the initial new product marketing.

5 years is hardly initial It's actually crazy it took them so much time to have a wireless system.

 

[DuncanDoughnuts]

XTR coming December,XT a bit later.
Full Wireless ala Sram, also new brakes, same cassettes as today.
Supposed to be real good and priced below Sram.

Must be what that embargo is on some bikes that come with Shimano....

Perhaps Levo Gen 4 is some new Shimano part.

I like Shimano ....

 

[electricbogaloo]

5 years is hardly initial It's actually crazy it took them so much time to have a wireless system.

Maybe its due to covid etc. The bike industry will feel its effect for years.

 

[rzr]

I heard that Sram had a patent for that? that's the problem with this stupid patent law.
Companies are now patenting every stupid thing (nothing revolutionary), blocking others from doing the same.
Like, let's add that easily available RF/WiFi/BT/radio chip to this device and patent it as a ground-braking invention.

 

[DuncanDoughnuts]

Maybe its due to covid etc. The bike industry will feel its effect for years.

They will also benefit from its effect for years .....

 

[mrhaboobi]

Can’t say a gen 4 levo excites me. Having bought a gen 3 recently and then demoing a pivot shuttle am I’ve realised the levo is heavy, hard to manoeuvre, challenging to keep on track. And sadly just not fun. The pivot ( I’m not a pivot fan boy ) just feels better all round for my style of riding and I’ll likely upgrade to the pivot soon. Plus specialized have been a bit useless when it comes to help trying to tune the bike to get it riding well. Stock and supplies have been poor for a long time. Colour options are so limited ( unless you want black ). They persist in not allowing tcu upgrades for gen 3 owners without the mastermind controller ( and that’s purely a software lockout they could resolve ). I can’t say at this point I’d feel much desire to buy a new specialized bike.

 

[James_MTB]

Can’t say a gen 4 levo excites me. Having bought a gen 3 recently and then demoing a pivot shuttle am I’ve realised the levo is heavy, hard to manoeuvre, challenging to keep on track. And sadly just not fun. The pivot ( I’m not a pivot fan boy ) just feels better all round for my style of riding and I’ll likely upgrade to the pivot soon. Plus specialized have been a bit useless when it comes to help trying to tune the bike to get it riding well. Stock and supplies have been poor for a long time. Colour options are so limited ( unless you want black ). They persist in not allowing tcu upgrades for gen 3 owners without the mastermind controller ( and that’s purely a software lockout they could resolve ). I can’t say at this point I’d feel much desire to buy a new specialized bike.

Which Pivot model did you demo?

 

[mrhaboobi]

Which Pivot model did you demo?

Shuttle am 2024 model. Xo pro ( middle model ). Size medium. My levo is an alloy 500w s4 with upgraded zeb ultimate 160mm , super deluxe ultimate, trp dhr evo brakes etc. carbon vs alloy I know is not a fair comparison but huge difference between the two bike in my subjective rating of “fun”

 

[whitymon]

I do not think this is fair, we all hope the new Levo will be just better and lighter and it is possible.

I am curious about the LT Levo which should replace the Kenevo.

Let’s see also what (if) the new brose will do, not sure this will be great honestly. Belt has its charm, without I guess I would prefer a Bosch gen5.

 

[rzr]

Strange, Levo is on the light side of full power bikes (23kg). And what kind of tuning are you talking about? Motor tuning is way better than Bosch.

 

[Ou812]

Can’t say a gen 4 levo excites me. Having bought a gen 3 recently and then demoing a pivot shuttle am I’ve realised the levo is heavy, hard to manoeuvre, challenging to keep on track. And sadly just not fun. The pivot ( I’m not a pivot fan boy ) just feels better all round for my style of riding and I’ll likely upgrade to the pivot soon. Plus specialized have been a bit useless when it comes to help trying to tune the bike to get it riding well. Stock and supplies have been poor for a long time. Colour options are so limited ( unless you want black ). They persist in not allowing tcu upgrades for gen 3 owners without the mastermind controller ( and that’s purely a software lockout they could resolve ). I can’t say at this point I’d feel much desire to buy a new specialized bike.

You can easily upgrade to the mastermind TCU, not sure why your dealer is saying you can’t. I went the opposite and downgraded to the older TCU so I could do away with the handlebar remote, it took my Spesh dealer like 5 mins to do whatever changes in the software that needed to be done.

I think the issues you’re having with the weight is just the carbon vs aluminium frame. On paper the Shuttle AM Pro is a pound heavier than my Levo Pro, on the scales my Levo pro was almost 2lbs lighter.

Suspension wise I’ll agree, the stock set-up wasn’t very good as it bottomed out way too easily. I started with the cascade link, that made a huge difference. I’m now on the Cascade long link kit with a 230x65 shock and bumped the front up to 170mm. I own a ton of bikes and this is probably the funnest bike I own. Did you get the generic tuned RS SDU or the one that’s tuned for the Levo? There’s 2 different part numbers, the Levo specific tuned one is actually pretty good.

 

[mrhaboobi]

You can easily upgrade to the mastermind TCU, not sure why your dealer is saying you can’t. I went the opposite and downgraded to the older TCU so I could do away with the handlebar remote, it took my Spesh dealer like 5 mins to do whatever changes in the software that needed to be done.

I think the issues you’re having with the weight is just the carbon vs aluminium frame. On paper the Shuttle AM Pro is a pound heavier than my Levo Pro, on the scales my Levo pro was almost 2lbs lighter.

Suspension wise I’ll agree, the stock set-up wasn’t very good as it bottomed out way too easily. I started with the cascade link, that made a huge difference. I’m now on the Cascade long link kit with a 230x65 shock and bumped the front up to 170mm. I own a ton of bikes and this is probably the funnest bike I own. Did you get the generic tuned RS SDU or the one that’s tuned for the Levo? There’s 2 different part numbers, the Levo specific tuned one is actually pretty good.

Umm not sure how you changed tcu that’s well documented specialized don’t support it.

The levo I have with upgrades is 56 lbs. 25.5 kg ( with pedals ). I agree the weight is possibly the cause but not much I can do to get it down now.

 

[mrhaboobi]

Strange, Levo is on the light side of full power bikes (23kg). And what kind of tuning are you talking about? Motor tuning is way better than Bosch.

25.5kg here . It’s not light Tuning is suspension.. I also prefer the Bosch engine. More power, better control. Emtb mode meant I almost set and forget.

 

[Tooks]

25.5kg here . It’s not light Tuning is suspension.. I also prefer the Bosch engine. More power, better control. Emtb mode meant I almost set and forget.

If you’re running the stock forks, then switching to a Domain or Lyrik etc will save you quite a bit and make the bike a bit more nimble.

The 500Wh Gen 3 S4 Alloy I have was 23.5kg with a Lyrik fork.

 

[Ou812]

Umm not sure how you changed tcu that’s well documented specialized don’t support it.

The levo I have with upgrades is 56 lbs. 25.5 kg ( with pedals ). I agree the weight is possibly the cause but not much I can do to get it down now.

Spesh doesn’t “officially” support it but it’s easily doable. I got the idea from Brink as they did it to one of their shop bikes. It’s a simple few clicks in turbo studio and that’s it.

 

[mustclime]

For you guys trying to cut some weight from a Levo, maybe look a Hunt wheels, they have some great deals right now….

HUNT E_All Mountain Mullet Wheelset

The future-proof HUNT E_All Mountain alloy wheelset has been engineered to meet the specific demands of high-torque, high-power electric mountain bikes.

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The low end models wheels are a bit heavy as are the forks. The Rockshox rc dampers have the right leg filled with oil and this adds about a pound to the weight of the fork. The Yari and the Domain can be updated with 2.1 damper from the Pike and Zeb and the forks become much lighter.

 

[xtraman122]

For you guys trying to cut some weight from a Levo, maybe look a Hunt wheels, they have some great deals right now….

HUNT E_All Mountain Mullet Wheelset

The future-proof HUNT E_All Mountain alloy wheelset has been engineered to meet the specific demands of high-torque, high-power electric mountain bikes.

us.huntbikewheels.com

The low end models wheels are a bit heavy as are the forks. The Rockshox rc dampers have the right leg filled with oil and this adds about a pound to the weight of the fork. The Yari and the Domain can be updated with 2.1 damper from the Pike and Zeb and the forks become much lighter.

i9 has some good sales going on now as well. The Enduro S Alloy is 343g less per set for a similar price point. I've been happy with my set so far.

Edit: Just realize the price point isn't all that similar, I had seen someone post a carbon set from Hunt on Facebook that was more in line with the i9 pricing.

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