Bermo EMTB
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Levo Gen 3 Levo Gen 4 2024 Rumours... And assorted random chat ....
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Eduardoramundo
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So, so far we have :-
Levo
Motor - Brose 48v 95nm
Battery - 600wh and 800wh
Range Extender - 250wh
Charging - Rapid
Geometry - variable for Mullet & 29er
Travel - 160mm/150mm
Controller - Bluetooth Wireless
Price - More
Possible Status-E?
Levo
Motor - Brose 48v 95nm
Battery - 600wh and 800wh
Range Extender - 250wh
Charging - Rapid
Geometry - variable for Mullet & 29er
Travel - 160mm/150mm
Controller - Bluetooth Wireless
Price - More
Possible Status-E?
Glad you agree and i'm sure the new one will have a similar look.
You mean a similar look to the SL, without that ugly shock stay.
What about display and technology?
GeordieKenevo
Active member
Going by what's been said on this thread, it sounds like it's just going to be a rebadged Brose Drive³ Peak motor running on the 48V system which was detailed back in 2023 on sites like Caution: High voltage! – Brose present the eagerly awaited Drive³ Peak motor in the 48V system and a concept motor with an integrated stepless drivetrain
Snippets from the above...
"Like the previous top model, it provides 410% maximum motor support, but the maximum torque has been increased from 90 Nm to 95 Nm. Weighing 2.9 kg and packed into a magnesium housing, the key parameters have seen little change from the previous model. However, Brose attribute the new drive with an improved design and optimised integration, promising an exceptional riding experience with further reduced noise levels"
....
"The motor manufacturer is adopting a unique approach with the new batteries for the 48V Brose Drive System. Initially, batteries with capacities of 468 Wh and 814 Wh will be available. What sets them apart is that they share the same format and aluminium housing, measuring 385x83x64 mm in dimension. However, the “smaller” battery weighs merely 3 kg, while the battery with the higher capacity, but identical in size, weighs 4.1 kg. The battery is installed in the frame but not fixed, allowing for removal and external charging."
....
"The Smart Fast Charger is designed to charge at a rate of 220-250W, with the maximum charging power peaking at 350W. As per Brose’s information, this translates to a full battery charge time of approximately 3 to 4 hours."
....
NOTE I have zero knowledge of any of this professionally or personally just what I've picked up in this thread and pasting an article from June 2023 but would be interesting for those that have seen it to use some reactions to see if we are getting close
Would be surprised if they get rid of the ugly shock stay.
Why would you be surprised? Their design language has completely moved away from that design on every other bike in their range.
DuncanDoughnuts
Active member
I personaly like it.... but then again I like airplane food too
That's been the one given, ever since this thread started.
TheMirrorVision
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The Levo followed the previous Stumpjumper design language and the new Stumpjumper no longer has a brace. Ergo it makes sense to believe the next Levo will not have one either.
I always liked the non drive side shots on my Kenevo
If what you say is true then they definitely used 21700 or the newer 22700 cells.
800Wh pack:
42(14S3P)cells x 3,65V x 5,3Ah = 813 Wh
There are a few of different cell brands out there that can be used for this application. The pack with proper packaging could weigh cca 3,9kg. It also goes in line with the Brose battery capacity in the other post.
The pack can be even a higher capacity if they choose a higher capacity cell. I. e. a 5,8Ah cell would result in an 889Wh pack.
These cells weigh cca 74g, only cells would weigh cca 3,1 kg, the whole pack with proper packaging could weigh cca 4kg.
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600Wh pack:
28(14S2P)cells x 3,65V x
5,8Ah/5,9Ah = 593Wh/603Wh
There are by my knowledge only three manufacturers that make a cell with this high capacity Keeppower P2160C, LG M58T, LISHEN 5800. As already said these cells weigh cca 74g, so only cells would weigh 2,1kg, the whole pack with proper packaging could weigh cca 2,7kg.
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450Wh pack:
28(14S2P)cells x 3,65V x 4,5Ah = 460Wh
There is a variety of cells out there with this or a capacity close that they could use.
There was a comment of a Brose 468Wh pack...which would imply to this configuration.
What I would hope is that for this smaller battery pack they used cells with a high discharge current spec like the Molicel P45B. That would result in a lightweight ebike that has a battery pack almost without any noticeable battery sag.
The weight of this battery could be really good as the cell weighs cca 68g, that would mean cells only would weigh 1,9kg, add housing and parts and we have a 2,5kg lightweight pack with high discharge capabilities made for race applications where consistent power throughout the race is better and it would not overheat fast.
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250Wh pack(extender):
14(14S1P)cells x 3,65V x 4,9Ah = 252Wh
There are a lot of cell brands with a similar or close capacity out there to choose for this application. I guess the extender could have a weight of 1,3 kg if done properly.
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MLX John
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etoni
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I need fast charging 12 ampIf what you say is true then they definitely used 21700 or the newer 22700 cells.
800Wh pack:
42(14S3P)cells x 3,65V x 5,3Ah = 813 Wh
There are a few of different cell brands out there that can be used for this application. The pack with proper packaging could weigh cca 3,9kg. It also goes in line with the Brose battery capacity in the other post.
The pack can be even a higher capacity if they choose a higher capacity cell. I. e. a 5,8Ah cell would result in an 889Wh pack.
These cells weigh cca 74g, only cells would weigh cca 3,1 kg, the whole pack with proper packaging could weigh cca 4kg.
____________________________
600Wh pack:
28(14S2P)cells x 3,65V x
5,8Ah/5,9Ah = 593Wh/603Wh
There are by my knowledge only three manufacturers that make a cell with this high capacity Keeppower P2160C, LG M58T, LISHEN 5800. As already said these cells weigh cca 74g, so only cells would weigh 2,1kg, the whole pack with proper packaging could weigh cca 2,7kg.
_____________________________
450Wh pack:
28(14S2P)cells x 3,65V x 4,5Ah = 460Wh
There is a variety of cells out there with this or a capacity close that they could use.
There was a comment of a Brose 468Wh pack...which would imply to this configuration.
What I would hope is that for this smaller battery pack they used cells with a high discharge current spec like the Molicel P45B. That would result in a lightweight ebike that has a battery pack almost without any noticeable battery sag.
The weight of this battery could be really good as the cell weighs cca 68g, that would mean cells only would weigh 1,9kg, add housing and parts and we have a 2,5kg lightweight pack with high discharge capabilities made for race applications where consistent power throughout the race is better and it would not overheat fast.
____________________________
250Wh pack(extender):
14(14S1P)cells x 3,65V x 4,9Ah = 252Wh
There are a lot of cell brands with a similar or close capacity out there to choose for this application. I guess the extender could have a weight of 1,3 kg if done properly.
SimonDee
Member
I don't get this fast charging thing. The harder you hit the battery the more it degrades the chemistry. It's not like you can charge it half way round the mountain... I want a slow charge option
If they retained the Brose ecosystem then you are limited to this:
Brose also share intriguing details about their 48V batteries: The Smart Fast Charger is designed to charge at a rate of 220-250W, with the maximum charging power peaking at 350W. As per Brose’s information, this translates to a full battery charge time of approximately 3 to 4 hours.
S4
I like it.
This is a warranty replacement. I was not a fan of the Maroon color on the previous frame...and it didn't say S-Works on it
I like them in red. And the metallic green. If my mate didn’t have the red I’d own one. Rides so well.
GeordieKenevo
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New Levo is hitting UK stores in April from what I've been told by a reliable offline source so can't be long until the full details are online
Bermo EMTB
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well i hope your source is more reliable than my LevoNew Levo is hitting UK stores in April from what I've been told by a reliable offline source so can't be long until the full details are online
i was told 20th? by one that has seen and had a go on the bike
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There was mention of a bike under heavy embargo appearing in a video this coming Sunday on the gmbn tech channel.
Of course it may be a boring old pedalbike, but no-one cares about them anymore do they?
Of course it may be a boring old pedalbike, but no-one cares about them anymore do they?
If memory serves me, the Levo SL was released on Feb 4 2020. Probably a good date for the new Levo
sluette
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impressed! good memory...
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