H.E.
Well-known member
Hi,
So, I actually bought the Kindernay for another bike, but since i have a new one i decided to try it out with that.
I was about to get a Rohloff but Rohloff does not allow the online Sale of the hub you can adapt to 142/148mm.
They are only to be sold localy and the dealer needs a certain toolkit from Rohloff to measure out what adapter you need.
Have no Rohloff dealer anywhere near so Kindernay was basically the only option.
I bought it from Kindernay Shop was the only dealer i found within the EU.
The owner André gave me great support and also provides a wheel-building service.
If you are interested in Kindernay this Thread : DIY Kindernay XIV gear hub installation - EMTB Forums
by TPEHAK might be a useful resource.
General Information:
Kindernay has two hubs one for 135,142 and 148mm and a Fatbike Version.
The hub can be converted by changing the endcaps kits available by Kindernay.
One side is the black part of the actuator of the shifting unit can be easily changed by unscrewing a torx head screw
– just press it together because it has springs inside.
The other side needs a puller tool (included in the Conversion Kit).
Once you got the endcap off you can also change the torque Arm.
Kindernay has two sizes of torque arms the longer (black) comes standard with the 216mm disc.
Depending on the mount it can be to long.
There are also two torque arm adapters one for 148 and the other for the rest.
The kindernay hast 14 evenly spread out gears with 543% range.
It comes with a 16t sprocket but can be used with 14,15,16 or 18t sprocket.
(Shimano CS-MX66 for BMX)
Since we are used to cassettes these are the equivalent numbers:
14T is equal to a 9.5-51.5T cassette.
15T is equal to a 10-55T cassette
16T is equal to a 10.8-58.8T cassette
18T is equal to a 12.1-65.9 cassette
source Kindernay/Facebook
Kindernay offers 3 Swap cages 28,32 and 36 spokes and a 32 for the fatbike version.
Swap cage is hold by 7 bolts that also hold the disc rotor.
Kindernay recommends 10 or 11x chains. 12x could be to narrow for the cog and 9x are probably too wide since there is not a lot of room between the cog and the actuator, apparently a Gates belt is possible too.
Documentation:
Information is certainly out the accessibility could be better, some is outdated.
Personally did not know that there are two sizes of torque arms (its certainly needed but I did not think about it)
another adapter etc.
Kindernay has a youtube channel online documents and printouts that come with the products.
However the printouts where outdated or wrong
(said hub comes with 14t cog – is thankfully a 16 now also in the 148mm adapter Kit it says the torque arm is included – it is not.
The Kindernay youtube video for the oil change also left out the flush ride the user should perform according to their own guideline.
So there is quite some room for improvements.
Installation:
If the configuration is correct installation of the hub is pretty easy, its a little different as with cassette but not a big deal.
Since you need to pull off the actuator you need some extra length to get the hub out of the first and than detach the actuator.
Internal routing in the downtube was pretty easy on my bike just had to drill a hole in the motor cover.
I had a Disc mounted magnet for the speed sensor, so I just tried to mount a magnet on the kindernay disc.
With the torque arm adapter you have limited space for the magnet. Although my 10x3 magnet looked good at home
had a couple of problems with the speed sensor while riding. Turned out that this was because the magnet was too far
away from the sensor so I did offset the sensor towards the disc and it runs just fine since then.
Shifting/Operation of the Kindernay hub
The HYSEQ shifting unit is a hydraulic shifting system with one lever on the left side and one right.
This will collide with shifter style seatpost remotes. PRO has one also found KS which is compatible with the ODI lock on grips I use.
Since the shifters are Hydraulic so you don't have the clicks built in to the shifters but you will get the feedback directly from the hub.
You can shift three gears up or down. Shifting under load is possible higher-gear shifting is good lower-gear shifting can be really hard
up to impossible under motor load. However you can shift standing still anyway.
Shifting is basically instant and under load it sometimes sounds like injected.
Usage / Break in phase
Kindernay recommends an oil change after the break in phase of 500km.
I did 575km than a flush ride of 56km and 215km since then.
I think there is two things happening:
the hub will work itself in and gives you smoother operation also noise levels get lower over time and after oil change
and the learning curve of the user when how to switch etc.
And not to switch gears if you want do lower you're seatpost – did not take long to get fully used to this.
Its possible to shift half a gear did this a couple of times think that this gets better from the break in and user learning curve.
In the break in period I had two spontaneous shifts into half a gear could be from/ to the same gear but I dont know for sure.
The noise will go down during the break in phase and after the oil change, noise level/ sound depends on the gear.
I personally really appreciate the feedback directly from the hub when shifting, instant shifting and shifting standing still.
Have less problems with the chain eating things
The 58t cog equivalent is pretty nice.
I personally dont see myself going back to a derailleur.
Like this look aswell.
Wasnt sure if this works in reviews so i posted it here.
So, I actually bought the Kindernay for another bike, but since i have a new one i decided to try it out with that.
I was about to get a Rohloff but Rohloff does not allow the online Sale of the hub you can adapt to 142/148mm.
They are only to be sold localy and the dealer needs a certain toolkit from Rohloff to measure out what adapter you need.
Have no Rohloff dealer anywhere near so Kindernay was basically the only option.
I bought it from Kindernay Shop was the only dealer i found within the EU.
The owner André gave me great support and also provides a wheel-building service.
If you are interested in Kindernay this Thread : DIY Kindernay XIV gear hub installation - EMTB Forums
by TPEHAK might be a useful resource.
General Information:
Kindernay has two hubs one for 135,142 and 148mm and a Fatbike Version.
The hub can be converted by changing the endcaps kits available by Kindernay.
One side is the black part of the actuator of the shifting unit can be easily changed by unscrewing a torx head screw
– just press it together because it has springs inside.
The other side needs a puller tool (included in the Conversion Kit).
Once you got the endcap off you can also change the torque Arm.
Kindernay has two sizes of torque arms the longer (black) comes standard with the 216mm disc.
Depending on the mount it can be to long.
There are also two torque arm adapters one for 148 and the other for the rest.
The kindernay hast 14 evenly spread out gears with 543% range.
It comes with a 16t sprocket but can be used with 14,15,16 or 18t sprocket.
(Shimano CS-MX66 for BMX)
Since we are used to cassettes these are the equivalent numbers:
14T is equal to a 9.5-51.5T cassette.
15T is equal to a 10-55T cassette
16T is equal to a 10.8-58.8T cassette
18T is equal to a 12.1-65.9 cassette
source Kindernay/Facebook
Kindernay offers 3 Swap cages 28,32 and 36 spokes and a 32 for the fatbike version.
Swap cage is hold by 7 bolts that also hold the disc rotor.
Kindernay recommends 10 or 11x chains. 12x could be to narrow for the cog and 9x are probably too wide since there is not a lot of room between the cog and the actuator, apparently a Gates belt is possible too.
Documentation:
Information is certainly out the accessibility could be better, some is outdated.
Personally did not know that there are two sizes of torque arms (its certainly needed but I did not think about it)
another adapter etc.
Kindernay has a youtube channel online documents and printouts that come with the products.
However the printouts where outdated or wrong
(said hub comes with 14t cog – is thankfully a 16 now also in the 148mm adapter Kit it says the torque arm is included – it is not.
The Kindernay youtube video for the oil change also left out the flush ride the user should perform according to their own guideline.
So there is quite some room for improvements.
Installation:
If the configuration is correct installation of the hub is pretty easy, its a little different as with cassette but not a big deal.
Since you need to pull off the actuator you need some extra length to get the hub out of the first and than detach the actuator.
Internal routing in the downtube was pretty easy on my bike just had to drill a hole in the motor cover.
I had a Disc mounted magnet for the speed sensor, so I just tried to mount a magnet on the kindernay disc.
With the torque arm adapter you have limited space for the magnet. Although my 10x3 magnet looked good at home
had a couple of problems with the speed sensor while riding. Turned out that this was because the magnet was too far
away from the sensor so I did offset the sensor towards the disc and it runs just fine since then.
Shifting/Operation of the Kindernay hub
The HYSEQ shifting unit is a hydraulic shifting system with one lever on the left side and one right.
This will collide with shifter style seatpost remotes. PRO has one also found KS which is compatible with the ODI lock on grips I use.
Since the shifters are Hydraulic so you don't have the clicks built in to the shifters but you will get the feedback directly from the hub.
You can shift three gears up or down. Shifting under load is possible higher-gear shifting is good lower-gear shifting can be really hard
up to impossible under motor load. However you can shift standing still anyway.
Shifting is basically instant and under load it sometimes sounds like injected.
Usage / Break in phase
Kindernay recommends an oil change after the break in phase of 500km.
I did 575km than a flush ride of 56km and 215km since then.
I think there is two things happening:
the hub will work itself in and gives you smoother operation also noise levels get lower over time and after oil change
and the learning curve of the user when how to switch etc.
And not to switch gears if you want do lower you're seatpost – did not take long to get fully used to this.
Its possible to shift half a gear did this a couple of times think that this gets better from the break in and user learning curve.
In the break in period I had two spontaneous shifts into half a gear could be from/ to the same gear but I dont know for sure.
The noise will go down during the break in phase and after the oil change, noise level/ sound depends on the gear.
I personally really appreciate the feedback directly from the hub when shifting, instant shifting and shifting standing still.
Have less problems with the chain eating things
The 58t cog equivalent is pretty nice.
I personally dont see myself going back to a derailleur.
Like this look aswell.
Wasnt sure if this works in reviews so i posted it here.
