Honest question - what do you think it’s worth.
- Thread starter Funkeydunk
- Start date
Trek only transfer a 3 year frame warranty instead of the lifetime for the original owner.
Still a transferable warranty
Only just
I wonder if the second owner would get any joy from Bosch if the motor or battery went within the first 2 years?
^^^ This
As far as I can determine all the bike manufacturer provides a warranty for is the frame. Braking and drivetrain components warranties are with RS or Fox, SRAM or Shimano. Seems to me the same applies to the motor and battery in many cases, at least those equipped with Shimano EP8 or Bosch Gen4 CX. In all cases those manufacturers are really only concerned with proof of age of the component. Interesting that there seems to be no process to register each of these parts with their respective manufacturers when purchasing a new bike though, and there seems to be various approaches to who foots the bill for any labour involved in replacing warrantied parts. It is perhaps fair to expect the original retailer to provide labour free of charge since they had the retail margin from the original sale. Different story of course if you use a different LBS subsequently.Only just
I wonder if the second owner would get any joy from Bosch if the motor or battery went within the first 2 years?
Overall I believe it is the product that carries a warranty and it should not matter if the orginal or subsequent owner presents a case for warranty.
( ps I appreciate Specialized warranty is different......e.g. Wheels are included with frame in the warranty and the Brose warranty is with Specialized not Brose . The Orbea Rise motor may also be only warrantied with Orbea rather than Shimano?)
All about the warranty on the motor and battery when buying used. That's why I stick to specialized, plus having Berkshire bikes down the road.
If you cannot transfer the warranty it's a complete nonstarter.
If you cannot transfer the warranty it's a complete nonstarter.
I'd suggest reviewing your advert. For example do you really need the Q+A section - and including swear words?! There is also a bit of other odd language scattered around which is a bit off putting.
That said, 6K for a SH bike (yes I know its high spec). Lots of options for new at that price, assuming the shop has them in. Many people will be financing or possibly cycle scheme etc.
That said, 6K for a SH bike (yes I know its high spec). Lots of options for new at that price, assuming the shop has them in. Many people will be financing or possibly cycle scheme etc.
as an update to my own post I checked with 2 LBS who have Bosch trained mechanics and both confirmed they have no problem dealing with a Bosch warranty for my bike ( if needed...which it is not!) despite the fact I am not the original owner. Original purchase receipt is all that is needed just to confirm the start of the warranty period.
geehaw
Active member
You. Need to get out more. There are orange Lambos, Mclarens, BMWs, Mustangs, Porches to name a few. Not that I would have an orange car but an orange MTB would be ok.
Put your money where your mouth is then and buy his bike.
cappuccino34
Active member
I've just paid £4k for a slightly used GLP-2 with full warranty and they're a far, far better bike than your Orbea I'm afraid. I was looking for something light-ish weight, with a Bosch motor. It's actually for my lad. Something like yours would have done the job, but not for that much money.
You have to accept that when you walk out of the shop with a new bike you blow a load of dough, right there and then, just like you do with any mainstream car, van etc.
You have to accept that when you walk out of the shop with a new bike you blow a load of dough, right there and then, just like you do with any mainstream car, van etc.
cappuccino34
Active member
Yes, absolutely sure.
cappuccino34
Active member
Pm sent
May have been ex-demo?
Pickle1970
Member
You lost me as soon as you referred to it as 'She' 
cappuccino34
Active member
Crikey! I've just read the warranty terms on Orbea's website:-
This warranty does not cover the normal wear and tear of the perishable elements of the product in any case. Said elements may include, but are not limited to, the following elements subject to wear and tear:
I get that things like brake pads and grips etc aren't covered because they really are wear and tear items and cost pence to replace anyway, but it seems that the battery and electrical system components are considered to be wear and tear items and as such are not warrantied, even to the original purchaser?
That's unbelievable, and probably against consumer law I'd expect.
This warranty does not cover the normal wear and tear of the perishable elements of the product in any case. Said elements may include, but are not limited to, the following elements subject to wear and tear:
|
|
|
I get that things like brake pads and grips etc aren't covered because they really are wear and tear items and cost pence to replace anyway, but it seems that the battery and electrical system components are considered to be wear and tear items and as such are not warrantied, even to the original purchaser?
That's unbelievable, and probably against consumer law I'd expect.
It's a bicycle. No bicycle manufacturers warranty covers normal wear and tear.
It looks like you're struggling to comprehend the meaning of wear and tear and as it relates it to each of the categories Orbea has listed. It's an unusual way to document the warranty for sure. But they are Spanish.
Whatever warranty you've somehow managed to obtain for your secondhand Lapierre won't cover normal wear and tear on any of those components either.
It looks like you're struggling to comprehend the meaning of wear and tear and as it relates it to each of the categories Orbea has listed. It's an unusual way to document the warranty for sure. But they are Spanish.
Whatever warranty you've somehow managed to obtain for your secondhand Lapierre won't cover normal wear and tear on any of those components either.
Last edited:
cappuccino34
Active member
I'm not struggling to comprehend anything, thanks very much.
Like I clearly said, I get that the wear and tear aspect of normal wear and tear items isn't warrantied, but the fact that the battery and electrical system components are included as such, when they should very definitely last beyond the warranty period, means that they have given themselves a get-out for the most expensive items on the bike.
Yes, you're going to get wear on seals and bearings, though even those should last for way more than the warranty period, but the wiring, PCBs, connectors, cells etc shouldn't suffer appreciably from wear. The cells should typically last six years or more.
I get that e-bikes themselves are somewhat in their infancy, but every bit of technology and engineering involved in them has been around for many years already, and the world does already know how to make all of these things properly, so there's no excuse for premature failures, and there's absolutely no excuse for excluding non-wearing parts from the warranty under the guise of 'wear and tear'.
"Sorry mate, the magnets in you motor have worn out". I don't think so.
Like I clearly said, I get that the wear and tear aspect of normal wear and tear items isn't warrantied, but the fact that the battery and electrical system components are included as such, when they should very definitely last beyond the warranty period, means that they have given themselves a get-out for the most expensive items on the bike.
Yes, you're going to get wear on seals and bearings, though even those should last for way more than the warranty period, but the wiring, PCBs, connectors, cells etc shouldn't suffer appreciably from wear. The cells should typically last six years or more.
I get that e-bikes themselves are somewhat in their infancy, but every bit of technology and engineering involved in them has been around for many years already, and the world does already know how to make all of these things properly, so there's no excuse for premature failures, and there's absolutely no excuse for excluding non-wearing parts from the warranty under the guise of 'wear and tear'.
"Sorry mate, the magnets in you motor have worn out". I don't think so.
No. you don't get it at all.
The battery and motor are covered by Shimano's 2yr warranty.
Orbea didn't mention failure of any of the small internal electrical components you're losing the plot over
So calm down
The battery and motor are covered by Shimano's 2yr warranty.
Orbea didn't mention failure of any of the small internal electrical components you're losing the plot over
So calm down
cappuccino34
Active member
Firstly, it's a Bosch motor in the Wild.
Secondly, the very fact that they have included electrical components as wear and tear when they're clearly not, which could mean that any electrical part of it can be excluded from the warranty if they want it to, means that I won't be buying one.
I'm not losing the plot, I just can't believe what's written in the warranty section. I suppose it doesn't matter if the warranty is transferable to a new owner or not if the warranty isn't worth anything in the first place.
As bad as Specialized are, and I know they are REALLY bad, their warranty is at least appropriate for the product that it covers.
cappuccino34
Active member
That section you have quoted is referring to the legal warranty, which is a warranty against non conformity to various countries regulations, and is not even talking about items that are/become defective.
Read it again, its the lifetime warranty section of that page that contains text that describes the cover against things failing.abd as Gary says, the motor is covered by Shimano/Bosch just like the forks are covered by fox, brakes by Shimano etc etc,all standard stuff,no need to panic.
Confirming to local regulations isn't a warranty issue, it's a product compatability for a given market issue, and as such has no place in the warranty section.
No. You've actually lost it already.
Yeah. We gathered that well before you "found" and misinterpreted orbea's warranty blurb.
To get away from the usual egos arguing and back on topic.
Low to mid 4k is your advertising price with you eventually accepting £4000. Anything above that is a bonus.
Yes, you paid £7800 but £1300 of that went straight to the government in VAT. That takes it down to £6500 of actual bike. Lose a third of that due to it being second hand and you get your price.
Also, rewrite the advert so it doesn’t look like it’s been done by a teenager and don’t advertise on a website then insist everyone goes to a different one for communication.
In a more helpful note, stick it on Facebook Marketplace. I sold a Santa Cruz a few months back and had no interest at all on mtb sites. Sold the same night I put it on Facebook and was picked up the following night.
Low to mid 4k is your advertising price with you eventually accepting £4000. Anything above that is a bonus.
Yes, you paid £7800 but £1300 of that went straight to the government in VAT. That takes it down to £6500 of actual bike. Lose a third of that due to it being second hand and you get your price.
Also, rewrite the advert so it doesn’t look like it’s been done by a teenager and don’t advertise on a website then insist everyone goes to a different one for communication.
In a more helpful note, stick it on Facebook Marketplace. I sold a Santa Cruz a few months back and had no interest at all on mtb sites. Sold the same night I put it on Facebook and was picked up the following night.
TheRealPoMo
Active member
Mmmmmm....Orange....
Also my sister once had an orange 76 Ford Escort.
The end.
Also my sister once had an orange 76 Ford Escort.
The end.
cappuccino34
Active member
I'm sure Shimano will warranty a Bosch motor. Wear and tear and warranty items don't belong with market compliance. It seems ominous to me that they would be grouped together.
My GLP has a factory warranty because it's an ex-works bike, if you must know, so I am the first owner outside of Lapierre. You make out that I've obtained a warranty by some sort of dodgy means, rather than using some imagination as to the situation.
I haven't lost the plot over anything, but I am being reminded of that saying that you shouldn't argue with an idiot.
cappuccino34
Active member
Finally, some sense.
I agree 100%
Realistically, it's a £4000 bike in my eyes.
Also consider that a lot of people buy through the Ride to work scheme, which makes a brand new bike 'cheaper'.
Similar threads
EMTB Forums
Latest articles
-
Santa Cruz Vala X0 review - a new approach to perfection?
The new Vala is Santa Cruz’ first attempt on a Bosch-powered emtb. Like...- Knut Nes
- 6 min read
- Views: 574
- Reaction score: 3
- Comments: 2
-
A new standard for charging ebikes is coming? A quick interview with Bosch - charge2bike
I had a quick chat with dr Vikram Godbole about "charge2bike", a new...- Knut Nes
- 2 min read
- Views: 780
- Reaction score: 7
- Comments: 4