Has the 2nd hand market bubble finally burst ?

Sep 18, 2020
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Just wondering on all’s thoughts really and it’s raining outside.

been watching the market and in the last month there’s over 150 more e bikes for sale on pink bike than there was in July and some crazy pricing still but nothing shifting. I had to take a loss on my SL as there was so many for sale that just weren’t selling. So has the covid bubble finally burst ? Shops have lots of stock of 2019/2020 models. Hoping this can start to drive the prices down from new over the next 12 months and make it accessible for many people who just can’t drop 5-6k on a poor spec e bike of there choice.

how much would you spend 2nd hand with limited time left on warranty ?
ive seen 2019 levo experts over £6500, I didn’t even pay that new!
manufacturers Should offer a trade in policy, especially on older models and help recycle the older bikes.
Giant has a buyback program, I'm going to check it out. I was told today at my bike shop the markety is still such that I will get what I paid or more for my 1 yr old Giant E Reign. I'm upgrading and sizing down L to M. Still waiting for the delivery so theres still not much stock in California.
 

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If only this was happening with bike parts. I used to pay about £15 for a new 9-Speed mid range Shimano cassette, now they are all £30 to £45 and so much stuff is still out of stock.
 

Ovidiu

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I think supply shortage caused by Covid19 is contra-ballanced by addressing to SH market bountiful offers. There are plenty of bikes out there, ones in better overall shape than others.
So what's the point of waiting 6+ months for a new "toy", when you can choose quicker from SH offers?? Ok, maybe you can't find the EXACT bike you wish (frame, color, fork etc), BUT with a little patience (and diligence) you can hunt a good deal.
And I will bring my personal experience.

In June I've purchased a 2nd hand E-Bike. A 29" Cube. Performance Hybrid Pro 2020, bosch cx, 500 battery,SRAM sX drivetrain . Its original price was around 2400-2500€ off the "shelf". What I've payed for it? 1.500€. Yeah. And it got under 250km on odometer and everything on that bike smelled like new. Not a single milligram of dust anywhere. Pristine condition. Did I make a good deal. I say heck yes.
So, (for me) the SH is the way, ignoring covid shortages. Would I will be needing spare parts in the future? Probably. But by then the covid shortage will be long gone and shops will have all sort of sparre parts available.

Another personal example
In spring this year I've purchased another sh bike (non-electric) for my son. A 2011 Cube 260 Race hardtail. A dream bike for a 8yo kid. Full aluminium with a single downside (v-brakes ? well, eh, it's enough for him - not the end of the world). Purchased for 160€. A bargain (comparing to its great shape and the initial catalogue price over 430€).
For that money (160€) I could hardly find anything NEW, with full aluminium (not just the frane) with quality components. So, again SH market saves the day for me.
 

Tribey

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Just wondering on all’s thoughts really and it’s raining outside.

been watching the market and in the last month there’s over 150 more e bikes for sale on pink bike than there was in July and some crazy pricing still but nothing shifting. I had to take a loss on my SL as there was so many for sale that just weren’t selling. So has the covid bubble finally burst ? Shops have lots of stock of 2019/2020 models. Hoping this can start to drive the prices down from new over the next 12 months and make it accessible for many people who just can’t drop 5-6k on a poor spec e bike of there choice.

how much would you spend 2nd hand with limited time left on warranty ?
ive seen 2019 levo experts over £6500, I didn’t even pay that new!
manufacturers Should offer a trade in policy, especially on older models and help recycle the older bikes.

Were you really expecting to make a profit when selling a 2nd hand bike? I'd have thought you'd have to expect to lose the dealer profit margin, and worn component replacement expense at least.
 

Swissrider

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Buying an ebike out of warranty is always going to be a big risk and I would factor in £800 or so to replace the motor or battery if necessary, so I would be looking to sell (or buy) at about 50% of the original price minus £800. Components have a hard life on ebikes so replacing things like drive trains needs to be factored in as well. Either buying much above this or expecting much above this is unrealistic unless one has a model that someone really wants but can’t get new. It’s hard to compare ebikes do analogue bikes. I still have my Marin hitch I bought in 1986, still going after 35years (all be it as a town bike with only the frame, forks and some of the transmission as original).
 

Cyclopath1000

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I just checked pink bike and ebay for replacement e8000 motors. Not a single one. How about that! 5-13 k investment with basically zero aftermarket availability. Nor did I see other brands. I can walk into any Ford dealer and order parts for my 2005 f 250. As well as a variety of other aftermarket suppliers that actually sell better than OEM stuff. This simple lack of parts outside of a shop is an anchor that degrades residual value. It's a poor business decision of the major manufacturers. They should offer direct to consumer motor parts at "reasonable" prices so as these older but well designed components fail they can be competently restored. So if their equipment is well designed they'll be a relatively low failure rate but there will always be motors that someone can look on eBay and see brand new motors available for what $800 and then you could just simply factor that in if you want to go for it but if you can't find the parts and then you have to go begging to some shop where you have to deal with someone that really would much rather not deal with such a complex repair and just sell your new one out of the box it totally destroys the value of the products that they're selling and it's a huge mistake in the long run. My next e-bike I have an e8000 version will definitely have decisions predicated on parts availability.
 

Binhill1

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Just wondering on all’s thoughts really and it’s raining outside.

been watching the market and in the last month there’s over 150 more e bikes for sale on pink bike than there was in July and some crazy pricing still but nothing shifting. I had to take a loss on my SL as there was so many for sale that just weren’t selling. So has the covid bubble finally burst ? Shops have lots of stock of 2019/2020 models. Hoping this can start to drive the prices down from new over the next 12 months and make it accessible for many people who just can’t drop 5-6k on a poor spec e bike of there choice.

how much would you spend 2nd hand with limited time left on warranty ?
ive seen 2019 levo experts over £6500, I didn’t even pay that new!
manufacturers Should offer a trade in policy, especially on older models and help recycle the older bikes.
I sold my ordinary Nicolai for £1500 last week a 2014 model not sure about Ebikes.
 

Swissrider

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I just checked pink bike and ebay for replacement e8000 motors. Not a single one. How about that! 5-13 k investment with basically zero aftermarket availability. Nor did I see other brands. I can walk into any Ford dealer and order parts for my 2005 f 250. As well as a variety of other aftermarket suppliers that actually sell better than OEM stuff. This simple lack of parts outside of a shop is an anchor that degrades residual value. It's a poor business decision of the major manufacturers. They should offer direct to consumer motor parts at "reasonable" prices so as these older but well designed components fail they can be competently restored. So if their equipment is well designed they'll be a relatively low failure rate but there will always be motors that someone can look on eBay and see brand new motors available for what $800 and then you could just simply factor that in if you want to go for it but if you can't find the parts and then you have to go begging to some shop where you have to deal with someone that really would much rather not deal with such a complex repair and just sell your new one out of the box it totally destroys the value of the products that they're selling and it's a huge mistake in the long run. My next e-bike I have an e8000 version will definitely have decisions predicated on parts availability.
Or whether you can get your motor fixed at all. Imagine if you had a motorbike out of warranty and the motor breaks. You take it to your dealer and he says “sorry mate you need to buy a new motor” or “sorry mate, you can’t get a motor for that motorbike, you need to buy a new one”. No one would dream of buying that make of Motorbike but bikers are being asked to accept a completely unacceptable and unnecessary position. The only light at the end of this dismal tunnel is companies like performance line bearings who can fix most, but not all motors. Hopefully, as people realise the enormous potential of fixing broken motors, other companies will follow. Because of Brexit, Performance line bearings will no longer repair motors from outside the UK, which according to their video, used to compromise 80% of their business so those with broken motors in the EU are faced with buying a new motor (if they can get one) or throwing their bike away. You folk in the UK are lucky that performance line bearings exist and we are lucky in Switzerland that PLB have teamed up with a Swiss company who offer the same service. The rest of the ebike world with second hand or old bikes are f*****d!
 

Bomble

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It amazes me the price of second hand ebikes bearing in mind i think only Specialised offer transferable warranties. Not sure i'd spend 1000's on a bike with no warranty, bearing in mind all the issues ebikes have.
 

Binhill1

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Giant has a buyback program, I'm going to check it out. I was told today at my bike shop the markety is still such that I will get what I paid or more for my 1 yr old Giant E Reign. I'm upgrading and sizing down L to M. Still waiting for the delivery so theres still not much stock in California.
Find that hard to believe to be honest unless it is as new condition have you actually tried to sell it ???
 

AverageRider

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Can confirm that with Specialized you don't have to necessarily register your bike for the transferable warranty, but the second/third owner would need a copy of the original proof of purchase. They're also not the only ones with this transferable warranty option, YT works exactly the same - 2 years from the original date of purchase.
 

ggrin

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I just checked pink bike and ebay for replacement e8000 motors. Not a single one. How about that! 5-13 k investment with basically zero aftermarket availability. Nor did I see other brands. I can walk into any Ford dealer and order parts for my 2005 f 250. As well as a variety of other aftermarket suppliers that actually sell better than OEM stuff. This simple lack of parts outside of a shop is an anchor that degrades residual value. It's a poor business decision of the major manufacturers. They should offer direct to consumer motor parts at "reasonable" prices so as these older but well designed components fail they can be competently restored. So if their equipment is well designed they'll be a relatively low failure rate but there will always be motors that someone can look on eBay and see brand new motors available for what $800 and then you could just simply factor that in if you want to go for it but if you can't find the parts and then you have to go begging to some shop where you have to deal with someone that really would much rather not deal with such a complex repair and just sell your new one out of the box it totally destroys the value of the products that they're selling and it's a huge mistake in the long run. My next e-bike I have an e8000 version will definitely have decisions predicated on parts availability.
Madison UK currently have Shimano E8000 motors available. My motor is 10 months out warranty, they said they might give me a discount once they've seen my old motor. I am not sure it is worth paying LBS to remove, ship & refit when Madison won't give any indication of possible discount or criteria being applied?
 

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Hi guys a gals, I really should do a poll to get a better view on what my bike is worth. I’ve had my highly modified 2019 levo for sale for a few weeks, and it’s really difficult to gauge the value. Point taken earlier in the thread about people selling second hand for nearly new prices.
so getting to i, I have. 2019 levo, Fox 36, magura brakes, hope wheels, rental bars, axs dropper, and the list goes on. All in all it’s cost between £8500-£9000 to build including the price of the bike. So what do you think it’s worth. Obvs this isn’t a commitment to buy it. Just curious to see if I’m in the right ball park.
 

Binhill1

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Hi guys a gals, I really should do a poll to get a better view on what my bike is worth. I’ve had my highly modified 2019 levo for sale for a few weeks, and it’s really difficult to gauge the value. Point taken earlier in the thread about people selling second hand for nearly new prices.
so getting to i, I have. 2019 levo, Fox 36, magura brakes, hope wheels, rental bars, axs dropper, and the list goes on. All in all it’s cost between £8500-£9000 to build including the price of the bike. So what do you think it’s worth. Obvs this isn’t a commitment to buy it. Just curious to see if I’m in the right ball park.
What it's worth and what you get will surprise you. If you get more than 5 grand I would be surprised. Let us know if you succeed. I sold a analogue Nicolai last week 1500 it was a 5 grand bike 2014 and in better Nick than my 2019 Levo expert. Good luck.
 

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@Funkeydunk The thing is that you have done these upgrades to suit you and to fit your idea of the perfect bike, or at least the ideal one for you. But it won't fit anyone else's ideal unless you are really lucky. Sadly a bike is more than the sum of its parts, unless you take the drastic step of selling the parts separately.

I prepared for the sale of my Focus Jam2 by removing the shiny new shock that has been fitted only a few months before and refitted the old one. I sold the TEC pack separately and sold the shock separately too. I sold those two items for a good price each and I sold the bike for the same price that it would have sold if I had included them in the first place. I am confident about that after talking to the bike buyer.

So, by any chance can you convert your bike back to its basic spec? Is that a possibility? When people look at websites, they do comparison shopping and see that particular 2019 Levo is this much, as is that one, but that other one is 40% more! No way!!

In my opinion, extras become freebies. Sadly, they only add value while you are using them. They will make your bike sell faster though, but you seldom if ever get a better price that will reflect the money you spent.

This is depressing and I share your pain. Selling a bike is like selling a child (almost). :(
 

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@Funkeydunk The thing is that you have done these upgrades to suit you and to fit your idea of the perfect bike, or at least the ideal one for you. But it won't fit anyone else's ideal unless you are really lucky. Sadly a bike is more than the sum of its parts, unless you take the drastic step of selling the parts separately.

I prepared for the sale of my Focus Jam2 by removing the shiny new shock that has been fitted only a few months before and refitted the old one. I sold the TEC pack separately and sold the shock separately too. I sold those two items for a good price each and I sold the bike for the same price that it would have sold if I had included them in the first place. I am confident about that after talking to the bike buyer.

So, by any chance can you convert your bike back to its basic spec? Is that a possibility? When people look at websites, they do comparison shopping and see that particular 2019 Levo is this much, as is that one, but that other one is 40% more! No way!!

In my opinion, extras become freebies. Sadly, they only add value while you are using them. They will make your bike sell faster though, but you seldom if ever get a better price that will reflect the money you spent.

This is depressing and I share your pain. Selling a bike is like selling a child (almost). :(
yeah I get all that, especially the personalised bit. Ironically the stock bikes are selling better that the modified ones. That makes perfect sense. Still I’m not really trying to sell it for crazy money, I’m trying to gauge what it’s worth and that’s the tricky bit. I’ve started reducing the price weekly to see if I get a sniff. it was funny that when I advertised mine and other person advertised an identical bike for £1500 less. I’ll have to accept that it’s worth less than I expect. or I just keep it as a really posh winter hack. Thanks for the response, much appreciated.
 

fenwick458

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In my opinion, extras become freebies. Sadly, they only add value while you are using them. They will make your bike sell faster though, but you seldom if ever get a better price that will reflect the money you spent.

this^^

the extra bits you put on could well be worth 90% of what you paid for them depending on the condition, as a lot of components are in short supply.
by contrast, the basic low end parts you removed in order to fit the above, are worth very little on their own, so best way to recoup your money is to put the basic parts on and sell the bike in standard spec, and then sell the blingy bits separately
 

Cyclopath1000

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I guess if ya bought a beautiful e bike and decided that it's just not your sport , selling a 2 year old piece of amazing technology makes some sense , I guess, but I just worry that people just are believing the hype that each new iteration of the technology is so amazing that your old stuff has got to go. Really?? Please remember that what you have is pretty damn good and if the purpose of an e bike is to have fun, get longer distances on a ride , get a chance to do things that might be near impossible on a regular Enduro bike what's really wrong with what you've got. If you hold on to it for a normal life span of a decent bike say that you hold on for 5 years is that going to be a terrible situation?

Now of course it's possible that you've discovered some kind of fatal flaw in the bike and you feel that it's actual ability to be a durable good is going to vanish then I guess you know something that the buyer of your bike doesn't know but I don't think that that's the case with the specialized ebike. I think everybody knows that there's a really good chance that you can get high mileage out of the thing.
But then again I see people who buy cars and they trade them in the next year and get something different so sometimes humanity confuses me. You have a beautiful bike what made you stop loving it. Plus you customized it in a methodology that I assume made you happier, made the thing better for your riding and abilities. that's not hard to do with a specialized levo it's pretty easy to get better components on it they're not the world's best stuff that they slam on a lot of bikes so I bet you you definitely made this thing better. Is it that important to lose a bundle of money to get the next generation because I bet you your next ride is not going to be that much more fun.
 

Binhill1

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I guess if ya bought a beautiful e bike and decided that it's just not your sport , selling a 2 year old piece of amazing technology makes some sense , I guess, but I just worry that people just are believing the hype that each new iteration of the technology is so amazing that your old stuff has got to go. Really?? Please remember that what you have is pretty damn good and if the purpose of an e bike is to have fun, get longer distances on a ride , get a chance to do things that might be near impossible on a regular Enduro bike what's really wrong with what you've got. If you hold on to it for a normal life span of a decent bike say that you hold on for 5 years is that going to be a terrible situation?

Now of course it's possible that you've discovered some kind of fatal flaw in the bike and you feel that it's actual ability to be a durable good is going to vanish then I guess you know something that the buyer of your bike doesn't know but I don't think that that's the case with the specialized ebike. I think everybody knows that there's a really good chance that you can get high mileage out of the thing.
But then again I see people who buy cars and they trade them in the next year and get something different so sometimes humanity confuses me. You have a beautiful bike what made you stop loving it. Plus you customized it in a methodology that I assume made you happier, made the thing better for your riding and abilities. that's not hard to do with a specialized levo it's pretty easy to get better components on it they're not the world's best stuff that they slam on a lot of bikes so I bet you you definitely made this thing better. Is it that important to lose a bundle of money to get the next generation because I bet you your next ride is not going to be that much more fun.
Agree some folk want the newest then change this and that on it . My Levo Expert first off peg bike I've had in 20 years last one was a Marin Mount Vision. I always got frame and picked components I wanted. Each to their own . I would hope to keep Levo for at least 7 years in total but all depends on cost of battery and motor when I need them the rest is just wear and tear. But may win lotto if I remember to put it on.
 

Doomanic

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Isn't it just the frame that is warrantied for a new owner and instead of lifetime they get 3 years?
Apparently, yes. Which is not what it said a while ago.
Subsequent Ownership
Subsequent owners (second or later) are entitled to a 3-year warranty from the date of purchase from the retailer on the Trek frame and Trek fork. This does not include items such as wheels, suspension forks, drive train components etc. Proof of original purchase is required.
It used to be 2 years, so it's an improvement for the frame, but it covered everything. Unfortunately, the way back machine doesn't have any pages archived.

@Mitch@Trek can you shed any light on the changed warranty terms?
 

Binhill1

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Apparently, yes. Which is not what it said a while ago.

It used to be 2 years, so it's an improvement for the frame, but it covered everything. Unfortunately, the way back machine doesn't have any pages archived.

@Mitch@Trek can you shed any light on the changed warranty terms
Won't cover a lot of things, anything shimano or other brands will be covered by them . I couldn't even get a bearing for wheel on warranty so don't hold up muckle chance of a rim or wheel . If you get a rim on warranty then have to get it built it gets expensive
 

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No problems here at all with Trek warranty. I had 2 rear wheels and one front for my Powerfly from Trek. There wasn't even anything wrong with the front but the rear they had wouldn't match the existing front so they sent a pair! I also had a crankset after one cracked on a ride. When my Powerfly frame developed two hairline cracks in the lower shock mounts I had confirmation of warranty in one working day and the choice of a replacement frame with my old kit built up onto it at no cost to me or the cost of the frameset off any new Trek. Which is why I'm now the very happy owner of a Rail.
 

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Apparently, yes. Which is not what it said a while ago.

It used to be 2 years, so it's an improvement for the frame, but it covered everything. Unfortunately, the way back machine doesn't have any pages archived.

@Mitch@Trek can you shed any light on the changed warranty terms?

What you quoted was correct! Also viewed on our website HERE under Subsequent Ownership. This update to our warranty started in 2019 and covers all 2020 and newer models purchased after August 1st, 2019.

The Subsequent Ownership warranty covers the non-original owner against any manufacturing defects for the frame and fork (Trek made) only for 3 years from the original date of purchase. It does not cover anything else as those are only covered if you are the original owner. The subsequent owner would also need a copy of the original proof of purchase to have a warranty claim submitted.
 

Bomble

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I'd definitely but it back to stock to sell it and keep/sell your parts. It's a lovely b
Agree some folk want the newest then change this and that on it . My Levo Expert first off peg bike I've had in 20 years last one was a Marin Mount Vision. I always got frame and picked components I wanted. Each to their own . I would hope to keep Levo for at least 7 years in total but all depends on cost of battery and motor when I need them the rest is just wear and tear. But may win lotto if I remember to put it on.

Some people just like a change or getting the new bike feeling? I wish I was the sort to keep a bike for years but for whatever reason I can’t, I’m currently on my seventh?
 

Binhill1

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I'd definitely but it back to stock to sell it and keep/sell your parts. It's a lovely b


Some people just like a change or getting the new bike feeling? I wish I was the sort to keep a bike for years but for whatever reason I can’t, I’m currently on my seventh?
Just counted 12 bikes since 1987 , still got custom made one from 95 and Dawes tourer so 3 years average per bike not too bad I suppose.
 

Swissrider

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Hi guys a gals, I really should do a poll to get a better view on what my bike is worth. I’ve had my highly modified 2019 levo for sale for a few weeks, and it’s really difficult to gauge the value. Point taken earlier in the thread about people selling second hand for nearly new prices.
so getting to i, I have. 2019 levo, Fox 36, magura brakes, hope wheels, rental bars, axs dropper, and the list goes on. All in all it’s cost between £8500-£9000 to build including the price of the bike. So what do you think it’s worth. Obvs this isn’t a commitment to buy it. Just curious to see if I’m in the right ball park.
As I said in my post above, about half what you paid Is probably what it is worth. Whether you would get that it another matter. At least In your case your motor is guaranteed for four years, so less risk for new owner. You don’t say whether your motor (which if original has design faults which are quite likely to cause failure) has been replaced with the modified more robust one or not. Also how many charges the bike has had and how many kilometers it’s done. Bear in mind at £4500 you’re not far off the cost of a reasonably decent new bike. The latter, shiny new with full guarantee and latest technology may well be more important than the appeal of a pimped Levo which will only be appreciated by the real bike enthusiast. Finding someone like that who would really appreciate your bike might be hard. The only way to guarantee a sale would be to lower the price to make your bike really attractive- say south of £3000. It’s a sad fact of life but ebikes, like cars are a fast depreciating asset, much more than an analogue bike. Most cars lose half their value in the first three years. Ebikes are basically motorised vehicles, so the same economics apply but even that is optimistic. Most of us would buy a five year old car, would we buy a five year old ebike?
 

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As I said in my post above, about half what you paid Is probably what it is worth. Whether you would get that it another matter. At least In your case your motor is guaranteed for four years, so less risk for new owner. You don’t say whether your motor (which if original has design faults which are quite likely to cause failure) has been replaced with the modified more robust one or not. Also how many charges the bike has had and how many kilometers it’s done. Bear in mind at £4500 you’re not far off the cost of a reasonably decent new bike. The latter, shiny new with full guarantee and latest technology may well be more important than the appeal of a pimped Levo which will only be appreciated by the real bike enthusiast. Finding someone like that who would really appreciate your bike might be hard. The only way to guarantee a sale would be to lower the price to make your bike really attractive- say south of £3000. It’s a sad fact of life but ebikes, like cars are a fast depreciating asset, much more than an analogue bike. Most cars lose half their value in the first three years. Ebikes are basically motorised vehicles, so the same economics apply but even that is optimistic. Most of us would buy a five year old car, would we buy a five year old ebike?
It’s had 5 motors, last two have been the latest version, so the motor is new, 73 charge cycles on the battery and this motor has done 1200km. the last motor was replaced by Berkshire cycles. I totally get the cost of a new less specked bike will be a similar price bracket. But this is just to get a view on its second hand value. I’ll not get to point where I’ll drop it to 3k, well not this year anyway. I’ll just hang on to it and be one of those guys who has 2. ? to summarise, people have said between £5500 and £3000, so £4500 may be a sweet spot. Than’s for the feedback.
 

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