Gearbox EMTB's that you can buy (+IGH bikes)

[Zimmerframe]

This ones been in development for a few years and they seem to accept pre-orders now - though no date on actual availability ..

The SVO Chrono :

Bosch Powered with 750wh battery, Rohloff 14 speed IGH and Gates belt ..

Not cheap, but high spec :

The early RS version with a 500wh battery supposedly weighed in at 19.6kg

For Geometry etc :

SVO Chrono : le VTTAE 29 français à boîte de vitesse Rohloff - carbone technologie F1

svobike.com

 

[Doomanic]

Specialized called, they want their frame mould back.

 

[maynard]

19.6 kgs . Typo
More like 29.6kgs
Looks good though . It's a levo with an even lumpier motor compartment

 

[V86]

Intradrive is moving forward. Still in the prototype phase though.

 

[Mini Me]

Intradrive is moving forward. Still in the prototype phase though.

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This looks really good, particularly with the Shimano mounting.

I can’t make up my mind about getting a voima sooner or waiting to see what happens with integrated gearboxes….

 

[V86]

This looks really good, particularly with the Shimano mounting.

I can’t make up my mind about getting a voima sooner or waiting to see what happens with integrated gearboxes….

Both Pole and Revonte are based in Finland, so I am kinda supriced that they havn`t teamed up already. @leo_kokkonen ?
The Pole Voima also looks perfect for a belt drive system because of the lack of a Chain Stay. Other bikes have to split up their frame to be able to put on a belt drive (or be stuck with the Veer Split Belt instead of Gates). With the Voima you don`t have the same issue.
Revonte One also looks superior to the other motor/gearbox systems.

(How a Pole Voima would look with a Belt drive and Revonte One motor)

The Pässila Titanium prototype with the Revonte One system looks awesome. I just wish it came in a long travel Full Suspension bike where the Unsprung weight advantage would really make a difference.

Revonte and Pässilä Bicycles Unveil A Titanium eMTB Prototype - Pinkbike

Along with automatic & stepless gears.

www.pinkbike.com

Putting a Pelt drive on a FS bike have also been shown to work with the Nicolai Eboxx E14 and the Zerode bikes

 

[V86]

Intra Drive is showcasing their latest prototype motor at Eurobike at the Orange Bikes booth.
Are there any other gearbox motor bikes at Eurobike?

 

[Zimmerframe]

Doesn't really apply to this thread as it's in development ..

Niche claim new mid-motor will revolutionise e-bikes

Apparently Niche will be "the first drive system for electric bicycles with regenerative braking and a virtual gearbox." That's the headline from the Spanish-based company that is hoping to make a splash by replacing traditional bicycle gearing with some electronic wizardry hidden inside an...

ebiketips.road.cc

 

[STATO]

If a gearbox is being integrated into the motor there is no need for the final drive output to be at the cranks? Place the output sprocket at a mid/high pivot location and you simplify drive to the rear wheel, while maintaining effective suspension geo without the need for a tensioner

Much like the rocky mountain ebike motor which applied drive at an idler wheel.

 

[V86]

The Intradrive will be showcased on Eurobike on a Orange Phase MX(?)

 

[V86]

Doesn't really apply to this thread as it's in development ..

Niche claim new mid-motor will revolutionise e-bikes

Apparently Niche will be "the first drive system for electric bicycles with regenerative braking and a virtual gearbox." That's the headline from the Spanish-based company that is hoping to make a splash by replacing traditional bicycle gearing with some electronic wizardry hidden inside an...

ebiketips.road.cc

That Niche seems interesting. Thanks for the share.

 

[Islandtrader]

Mission ON.E — Gearbox manufacturer Pinion wants to bring together what belongs together! — urbanbike.news

It looks like the future of e-bikes might be here a lot sooner than expected. I've been following Pinion tease their new motor/gearbox on instagram for the last couple of weeks. Just a few more days to go until they show everything. Of the nine or so bike brands that are jumping on this to start, one of them has a full suspension trail bike with the new motor/gearbox with gates belt drive and wired electronic thumb shifters. In my opinion, it doesn't get much better than that! Zero maintenance and all that vulnerable, unsprung weight removed from the end of the swing arm. The future is here!!

 

[Zimmerframe]

Looks like with the release of the Pinion MGU's we should have a few more to choose from :

Simplon :

Simplon is combining the Pinion E1.12 MGU with a Gates belt drive in the Rapcon Pmax Pinion 150 and Rapcon Pmax Pinion 170 for 2024. Both bikes utilize full carbon frames and are available in four sizes with two color options. As the name suggests, the Rapcon Pmax Pinion 150 features 150mm of travel front and rear. The Pmax Pinion 170 has a 170mm fork and offers 165mm of travel in the rear. With its flexible battery system you'd be able to get up to a ridiculous capacity of 1,430Wh when using an extender. Thanks to Simplon's build options, you can trim their spec to your liking with prices starting from €8,999.

Bulls :

The top model is the Vuca Evo AM2 for €8,499 with carbon main frame and a 1.8" headset standard that features the Pinion E1.12 with Gates belt drive. Kinematics are based around a new concept for them, called the 4-Link Swingarm, mixing the idea of single and 4-pivot designs with 150 mm of travel. The Vuca Evo AM1 comes with a lower spec and a price tag of €7,499. Both should be available around the beginning of next year with either a 720Wh or massive 960Wh battery (add €200 for that option).

Rotwild :

ROTWILD R.X1000 Ultra

Was macht es aus? Es ist die Symbiose aus der innovativen Motor-Gearbox-Unit (MGU) von Pinion, mit einer modernen All-Mountain-Geometrie, und einer optimierten Gewichtsverteilung, die das R.X1000 zu einem höhenverliebten All Mountain macht. Dafür steht…

www.rotwild.com

Batteries on the Pinion come as removable 480/720/960wh options or a 700wh integrated unit. There's also a 468wh range extender.

The three removable batteries are all the same external sizes with different weights. Except the 960wh which is the same size and fittings but bulges outwards like the larger YT decoy battery as you can see on the Rotwild image above.

 

[slickrock]

Wither Revonte. The company is now bankrupt and searching for a buyer of it's IP. Their motor was by far the most interesting of the lot. They spent a lot of time and money on their battery tech as well. Anyone? Bosch? Specialized? Trek? Now is the time to make a move and scoop up this tech, as I would hate to see this design in the scrapheap.

 

[tooFATtoRIDE]

Might be the easiest bike to convert. With the way the bike is made it's not impossible to switch around, as they did (thankfully) from the Brose to the Bosch.

Probably have their hands full as things are, would be interesting as a demo bike though.

The Nicolai eboxx 3x3 is very cool with some amazing attention to detail.

The 3x3 hub looks interesting, would be interesting to ride one. On the downside, you simplify one side of the bike and the other side seems to have a large increase in complexity, not sure how all that would fare in real life - hopefully well ..

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The 3X3 Nine hub is notwhere near being available to the individual end-user.

I have asked 3X3 for info regading their hub availability to the end user. This is what I got in return, not looking too great to be honest.

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At the moment, we do not offer our gears to retailers or end users.

You can already buy an e-bike with our hub from the manufacturer Nicolai Bikes (NICOLAI GmbH), Cargo Factory (Lastenrad Konfigurator - Alle Cargobike Optionen mit einem Klick), Mi-Tech (MiTech – Handgearbeitete, individuelle Mountain Bikes), Portus Bikes (Portus Cycles – Fahrräder aus Stahl – Konstruktion & Entwicklung – Prototypen- & Kleinserienfertigung) and Mäx & Mäleon (Konfigurieren - Mäx & Mäleon) also offer our hub in their bikes.

You can already buy an e-bike with our hub from the manufacturer Nicolai Bikes (NICOLAI GmbH), Cargo Factory (Lastenrad Konfigurator - Alle Cargobike Optionen mit einem Klick), Mi-Tech (MiTech – Handgearbeitete, individuelle Mountain Bikes), Portus Bikes (Portus Cycles – Fahrräder aus Stahl – Konstruktion & Entwicklung – Prototypen- & Kleinserienfertigung) and Mäx & Mäleon (Konfigurieren - Mäx & Mäleon) also offer our hub in their bikes.

Other bicycle manufacturers such as Quantor and Muli will follow shortly.

To be included in your future dream bike, you can do us a favour and ask your bike company/brand about the availability of 3X3 in their bike portfolio.

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I have even approached a number of bike manufacturers from the list above. In return I got the usual "no can do" response.

Not very impressed given that by October 2023 even the electronic shifting version was meant to be available to the average Joe.

 

[TorAtle]

Adding Owuru propulsion module for eBike by E2 Drives to the list. 265% gear range is not great, though.

 

[tooFATtoRIDE]

The Eurobike 2024 stuff was great. DJI, ZF and other announcements. However, I will not be buying another ebike unless it is a MGU type.

For this reason, the barely mentioned Villiger Dynamic Drive is something that caught my attention. It is a very early stage but if they can deliver what they say they could, this would be a true game-changer for me, one that could be a serious competitor to the Pinion MGU.

Source: Pinkbike

Villiger Dynamic is a Swiss start-up that has a parent company with a lot of experience in mechanical engineering in the agricultural sector. Florian from Villiger Dynamic says that tractors have been using variable transmissions for 25 years and they want to bring this technology to the bike market.

The Dynamic Drive is compact, has two motors and three planetary gearsets. The seamless, continuously variable transmission can go from the lowest to the highest gear ratio in less than 0.5 seconds, even under full load.

While most drivetrains have a gear range between 400 and 500%, the Dynamic Drive boasts over 1000%. It also has an interesting feature that you probably won't need on your mountain bike, but maybe on your cargo bike; a reverse gear that operates by pedalling forwards.

Let's have look at the most important numbers:
- 2x brushless DC motors
- Torque: 100 Nm
- Peak Power: 800 W
- Continuous Power: 250 W
- Voltage: 48 V
- Weight: 3.8 kg
- Size: 19 x 16 x 11 cm

The Villiger Dynamic team plans to make a first run of prototype motors later in 2024 to do more testing and to tune the software.

 

[slickrock]

...
The Dynamic Drive is compact, has two motors and three planetary gearsets. The seamless, continuously variable transmission can go from the lowest to the highest gear ratio in less than 0.5 seconds, even under full load.
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Missed this one. I have to say that this motor gives me Revonte vibes, which was a really great design, IMO. Perhaps they bought the tech from them when Revonte went bankrupt. While the company does not show how the internal gearing works, looking at how Revonte did it sounds basically the same:

1. It's a CVT, buts its Its fully geared drive in that it uses planetary gears and doesn't have the those ugly and lossy sliding pulleys that climb up and down ramps that you would expect when you think of a car CVT.
2. It uses a secondary motor for gearing changes, which is really the best thing about this design. Since motor speed can be fine grain controlled, so is the is the gear ratio. Without clunking gear shifts and internal mechanical sliding gear tracks, the MGU could be made quiet (assuming the electric motors themselves are quiet). The secondary motor can actually add assist to the main motor as well.
3. It sounds like there is no free-wheel in the motor, or there is a way to control the motors in a way that it can behave like it doesn't have a free-wheel. This way the motors can turn into generators and recharge the battery. Mode switching could be done electronically.
4. The video that shows the internal operation of the revonte has been taken down off youtube, further hinting that Villiger may have acquired at least some of this IP, but this is still conjecture.

That said, this Villiger motor is heavy, like a kilo heavier than a Bosch Gen 4, but actually 300g lighter than a Pinion. If this weight includes the built-in belt tensioner (which is cool to begin with and assumes that it will be used on dual suspension EMTBs) and what looks to be a built-in chainring spider, then perhaps this weight is easier to swallow. With the DJI motor disruption affecting the market, 100NM torque would be the new baseline for new motors coming out.

The problem is that amazing difficult to produce a new motor platform (MGU or not) and survive as a startup. You need the strength of a big company backing the technology, like Bosch, SRAM, or even newcomer DJI, to get this technology off the ground in a sustained way that it stays around. I really lamented the fall of Revonte and looking forward and crossing fingers for a potential reincarnation. It's really a very promising design approach that simplifies the transmission complexity of internal geared transmissions.

 

[tooFATtoRIDE]

Well said slickrock I could not have put it better myself.