DirkWisely
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If bike shops only made $200-$300 on a 5k+ bike, then they'd be ruined every time there was a sale to shift old stock.
Assuming it proves reliable, and assuming it proves to be repairable/replaceable, it's quite possible it wrecks the sales of every brand not using it. I can't imagine settling for a Bosch if a comparable bike is available with a DJI.
That's why I said comparable bike.The bike comes first and foremost. The motor is second and not everyone is going to demand such excessive amounts of power. Would I skip over a great Crestline, Transition or even Orbea with the new Bosch to buy a DJI with trail geometry and no stateside support? No f**king way!
IF everything else is equal, the bike, the price, the reliability, the after sales support, then yes, the DJI powered unit is very compelling. But that's a big 'if'.
The primary well-known brands are going to stick with the Bosch (which is getting a power upgrade soon btw, probably before you can even get a DJI in the states) for many commonsense reasons revolving around: not buying from a bike competitor, known warranty service, no risk of impending tariffs, etc.
Seriously, you guys are making too big of a deal of DJI turning up their electric motor a bit. Any of the manufacturers can do the exact same and they will once they are confident of maintaining reliability. German manufacturing/ business culture is more conservative at its core, than Chinese Manufacturing culture.
Man, the Euros are going to hit that 20 kph max speed faster than ever aye?!
That's why I said comparable bike.
And it isn't just the extra power. It's so slim and light. It looks like a Fuel EXe but with twice the range and power.
The weight isn't that revolutionary if you take the non-removeable battery into account. It probably also has a higher center of gravity than a bike with a removable battery because its long and thin and sits above the motor.
Can probably throw a 170mm on it no?I'll most likely get a Bosch gen 5 on my next bike in the next 6 months, but if AMflow release a 170mm bike or a known brand build a bike around the motor it would be seriously hard to ignore.
- It's the lightest full power motor
- It's the smallest full power motor
- It's the most powerful motor, by a lot
- It's available in a bike that is cheaper than its competitors, while providing twice the power and battery capacity as other SL bikes, and is up to 4kg lighter than equivalent full power bikes at similar prices.
Edit: I would be just as excited about ZF if they had showed it off on a bike that didn't look completely rubbish.
Rando_12345 said:Edit: I would be just as excited about ZF if they had showed it off on a bike that didn't look completely rubbish.
The only issue I have with the amflow is the rear shock is tiny and apparently a yoke activated trunnion shock is likely to be very unreliable. So waiting for the motor to appear on a bike intended for big jumps and rough trails.Can probably throw a 170mm on it no?
Plenty asking the same question . . bicycle £10k, motorbike £8kI have been more wondering how no brand has managed to seriously undercut the competition. These are bicycles, not cars, and yet a bargain e-mtb costs $5k?
Unreliable how? It looks like my Levo.The only issue I have with the amflow is the rear shock is tiny and apparently a yoke activated trunnion shock is likely to be very unreliable. So waiting for the motor to appear on a bike intended for big jumps and rough trails.
In a podcast(can most probably still be found on yt) with the owner of Crestline, he mentioned the possibility of Bosch doing that sooner or later...Is there any credible evidence to support the rumour that Bosch will increase the power of the new motor to compete with DJI, other than that’s what they did years ago on the Gen 4? Seems to me more optimism than rationality.
The motor weighs .7#s (claimed) less than the new Bosch cx. Hopefully Bosch will offer the race option again which will get that down to .4#.I'll most likely get a Bosch gen 5 on my next bike in the next 6 months, but if AMflow release a 170mm bike or a known brand build a bike around the motor it would be seriously hard to ignore.
- It's the lightest full power motor
- It's the smallest full power motor
- It's the most powerful motor, by a lot
- It's available in a bike that is cheaper than its competitors, while providing twice the power and battery capacity as other SL bikes, and is up to 4kg lighter than equivalent full power bikes at similar prices.
Edit: I would be just as excited about ZF if they had showed it off on a bike that didn't look completely rubbish.
They have guys jumping the bike on the website home page video. This would make the case that these smaller jumps are within the bikes normal operation. Otherwise they would need a caveat saying that what is being shown on their website is not allowed.Is doing jumps at all considered not covered,
Yeah sounds like Bosch could close the gap. I guess the main reason the DGI bike looks so slim is because the battery is integrated, and is above the motor instead of next to it, giving a less chunky BB.The motor weighs .7#s (claimed) less than the new Bosch cx. Hopefully Bosch will offer the race option again which will get that down to .4#.
Batteries watt per kg are the same so no difference there.
Bosch told Crestline the motor was designed with a '3 figure power number planned...' that means more than 99 NMs.
All CF Ebike frames weigh very similar amounts. Size mediums are all about 3300 grams. Differences often come down to longer more aggressive geo and the size being measured.
The rest of the weight differences are in the spec. The Amflow has a short dropper, a non reservoir air shock, Exo tires, 36mm fork, conservative geo, etc.
I belong to a FB group and a guy weighed his at 21.7 kgs. It's light for sure. But also what I would expect for the spec.
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