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electricbogaloo
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Absymal handling might be a bit much and reflect my riding ability/preference more. If you are a physically and technically very fit and good rider it might not matter that much on the right tracks. Like for plowing down gnarly straight line, high speed stuff that isn't too steep the weight might even be beneficial in some sections. But basically everywhere else the weight will make the bike feel sluggish and glued to the ground.
I never even rode a bike that weighed more than 25 kg but 25 kg felt even way too sluggish on mellow or tight trails compared to the 23 kg I'm used to. And yeah, where the weight is placed makes a huge difference. But big, long batteries are a problem because of that. High center of gravity and a lot of weight is dangerous on trails because tipping the bike over to make small line corrections will become impossible and you will go off line and crash.
Astro66
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My commuter EBike is a belt drive with internal hub. The near zero maintenance is awesome. I'm at 9000km on the same belt, and I have never serviced the transmission. Nothing. Just changed tyres and pads.
And being able to change any amount of gears instantly, even when the bike is stationary, just makes life so easy in traffic, and stopping at traffic lights.
I'd never buy a derailleur again in a road bike.
But on trails and travelling to remote locations. The simplicity, ease of finding parts, and weight reduction of a chain, derailleur and cassette, just works.
A full fat bike is 22kg to 25kg usually...............average rider is 75kg to 90kg ........the bikes weight is dynamic once inertia is overcome.........the riders weight mostly only gets to move relatively little foreward and aft, and get the hips over the side of the bike to a degree. So the rider weight dominates probably by a factor of 3:1.
That is why I said the absolute weight is far less of an issue than how the weight is distributed on the bike.
I am of course referring to riding........lifting/carrying etc is different but cant say whether I could lift a bike over a gate would be part of my buying criterea
, neither would spending a few £k more to save 3 or 4 kg.
Where weight does make a difference is the rolling mass of wheels plus tyres due to the momentum they create..................but lightweight tyres are typically only good for XC and carbon wheels are an expensive upgrade.
Then there is the issue of lightweigh frame construction v strength and longevity for any EMTB other than one designed for XC or mild trails. Would I trust a lightweigh and low cost carbon frame build...typically using only UD carbon?? no way.
That is why I said the absolute weight is far less of an issue than how the weight is distributed on the bike.
I am of course referring to riding........lifting/carrying etc is different but cant say whether I could lift a bike over a gate would be part of my buying criterea
, neither would spending a few £k more to save 3 or 4 kg.Where weight does make a difference is the rolling mass of wheels plus tyres due to the momentum they create..................but lightweight tyres are typically only good for XC and carbon wheels are an expensive upgrade.
Then there is the issue of lightweigh frame construction v strength and longevity for any EMTB other than one designed for XC or mild trails. Would I trust a lightweigh and low cost carbon frame build...typically using only UD carbon?? no way.
This might be true for you, this is not for me, and I can give you physics number too. Inertia/Momentum help to a point and not on all direction, it is what it is, an heavy bike stay like hell in its line whether it is good or not.
I insist, at least for me, to move a bike in tight on side etc on dh section is a much harder on a bike with 20 than 15, and I insist too that 25kg was much more harder and my joy limit. Any kg above 20 is really felt to my riding, some might not see it or feel but no one can deny either my feeling or call the opposite a generality.
25+kg is a mess to how I would enjoy a ride, is the Nicolai built in a sense that I would feel the ride like if it were under 25 who knows, did not have the change to go in Germany to test it few weeks ago.
This is also not a question of can you vs can you not, but how much effort is required and mostly you feel joy or not from riding it, so no 28kg for me is never going to be a playful and providing joy unless using it on mellow stuff.
At least today this where I stand maybe when I will be old I might revise this for now I still do aggressive riding that does not comply with such weight.
That said, I am not an heavy/fat dude, I barely hit the 75kg full equipped.
I insist, at least for me, to move a bike in tight on side etc on dh section is a much harder on a bike with 20 than 15, and I insist too that 25kg was much more harder and my joy limit. Any kg above 20 is really felt to my riding, some might not see it or feel but no one can deny either my feeling or call the opposite a generality.
25+kg is a mess to how I would enjoy a ride, is the Nicolai built in a sense that I would feel the ride like if it were under 25 who knows, did not have the change to go in Germany to test it few weeks ago.
This is also not a question of can you vs can you not, but how much effort is required and mostly you feel joy or not from riding it, so no 28kg for me is never going to be a playful and providing joy unless using it on mellow stuff.
At least today this where I stand maybe when I will be old I might revise this for now I still do aggressive riding that does not comply with such weight.
That said, I am not an heavy/fat dude, I barely hit the 75kg full equipped.
Emailsucks98
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#1 reason weight does matter is very steep terrain. Many of my favorite trails are going to require some up/down carrying. Sometimes it's dbl-black+ hucks/rolls where riding might be an option, but maybe not by me, or on that day, if ever.I am of course referring to riding........lifting/carrying etc is different but cant say whether I could lift a bike over a gate would be part of my buying criterea
Other times it's backcountry with primitive trail conditions.
And other times it's "secret trails" with hike-in entrances.
I totally get that weight doesn't matter for the typical trail network with service road climbs to flow trails- those are fun too.
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electricbogaloo
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Lets just say weight matters in the sense how playful the bike feels in terms of how you can plant it on the trail. A heavy bike will simply feel more and more like a motorcycle. It can still be fast but it will turn the expierience more into a kind of monsterucking/straighlining expierience. It greatly depends on the terrain/conditions you're riding it if it is fun. For me doing high alpine stuff on narrow single trails, sometimes having to carry and pushing the bike steep chutes uphill 28 kg is a nono.
I also noticed with the big long intube batteries the problem of the flickability of the bike like I said for mini line changes on narrow trails. You can simulate this with a small frame bag strapped into the forward front triangle. If its anything above 200g you'll notice it being there and making the bike sluggish. So yeah, they weight distribution matters but the bigger the motor/gearbox/battery get, the higher the weight will be placed because of the intube frame design and the pressure to make the bike look like a normal bike.
I also noticed with the big long intube batteries the problem of the flickability of the bike like I said for mini line changes on narrow trails. You can simulate this with a small frame bag strapped into the forward front triangle. If its anything above 200g you'll notice it being there and making the bike sluggish. So yeah, they weight distribution matters but the bigger the motor/gearbox/battery get, the higher the weight will be placed because of the intube frame design and the pressure to make the bike look like a normal bike.
Just arrived.
One question has been max Insertion of the Transfer.
It is 100% as you can see.
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One question has been max Insertion of the Transfer.
It is 100% as you can see.
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Rando_12345
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Can you tell us the frame size and dropper travel
Entonox
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Awesome.
So looking at the Fox Transfer spec total insertion length is 288mm which is longer than the max of 270mm stated in the Amflow manual. Presuming the frame is a size L.
Out of curiosity can you measure BB centre to top of seat tube?
Exactly 450 mm like in the Specs..Awesome.
So looking at the Fox Transfer spec total insertion length is 288mm which is longer than the max of 270mm stated in the Amflow manual. Presuming the frame is a size L.
Out of curiosity can you measure BB centre to top of seat tube?
Yes, it is an L..
Perfect for me
Entonox
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Fantastic. Thank you
L and 180mm Transfer
Yes I own one. Came from Germany to me, Slovakia, originally box packed. Bike shop made for me account on Amflow web side. Have no idea why, can ask. But bike works, app works. I changed shock, wheels (mullet), shifting, dropper, seat, handlebar, fork and will brakes as well. Only complain is that adjusting of custom power levels is possible just within narrow window, means preset modes are set and my custom changes are not as I would like to have them. In settings you can change region, so I am almost sure that there is no prob to buy it anywhere and ride anywhere.
I think yes, magnet is just one thin metal plate fitted under disc screws. I also think its CL compatible, but did not try it.
I will try it later with a Swissstopp brake also with a Spider. At first glance it looks having enough space between sensor and speed sensor disc..
Rando_12345
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It works with swissstop Discs, and I‘m pretty sure also with the MDR. Still a lot of space between Spider and sensor
Riding report must wait. I drove a 4 km first check on friday, but then saturday a heavy flu catched me and we have perfect weather.
My wife is 'medical' and brings home all the nasty stuff her patients have. Month ago had a really nasty head cold/flu/covid/wtf infection that took 2 weeks to shake off. I'm full of holes from all the vaccinations I've had but made no difference.Riding report must wait. I drove a 4 km first check on friday, but then saturday a heavy flu catched me and we have perfect weather.
electricbogaloo
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It feels like every third person is sick currently
My dealer is still wellIt's all the fault of the virus that arrives from China in Amflow boxes
It's part of the DJI package, it's like a vaccine, fever for a few days but then you're better!My dealer is still well
Something similar, my wife is extremely cautious but you know sh.. can hit the fan no matter what.My wife is 'medical' and brings home all the nasty stuff her patients have. Month ago had a really nasty head cold/flu/covid/wtf infection that took 2 weeks to shake off. I'm full of holes from all the vaccinations I've had but made no difference.
My bet also is that we develop a more solid immune system because I am likely never ill since we are together, so decades.
NB: that and remote work help a lot these days
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