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Mikerb

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Does anyone on here deliver diesel in Surrey and can give some insider delivery time info ?
check out some neighbours.........you know the ones with a garage full of gerry cans full of deisel. I spoke to the manager of our local village garage today. The garage is part of a much bigger chain of garages. He said they are due a delivery tomorrow which is their normal slot and that neither he nor any other garage in the chain had experienced any disruption of scheduled deliveries. Some garages are out of fuel simply because people have believed the nonsence in the media and panic bought. He said he sold more diesel in 2 days over the weekend than he would normally sell in 2 or 3 weeks. So some garages are out of fuel...............unlike supermarkets which are supposed to be out of food supplies and have bare shelves, but are stocked to the gunnels as usual..........more media hype/misinformation. Recognise a pattern here??
 

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Reigate hill had a delivery about 2 hours ago, just filled up there but big queue and the location isn't great as the queue has fecked all the surrounding traffic - all the Gatwick petrol stations are out, big Tesco there just run out as I went.

When I was driving back from work there was a big queue on the M25 for the Cobham Services.
 

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There might not be any bare shelves, but if your supermarket is anything like the local Morrisons, Aldi or Home Bargains there'll be plenty of duplicates to hide the bare shelves.
 

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So some garages are out of fuel
Every single garage I drove past yesterday between Evesham and the FoD were out of fuel except the Morrisons closest to me that had a queue out of it that went a mile down the bypass.
 

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I'm a logistics guy, thirty years shifting gear from factory to warehouse & warehouse to store & my considered professional opinion is the job's fucked. Do your Christmas shopping now. Really.
 

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Managed to fill up this morning. No queues. Was a bit pissed at the price of 1.30/litre though. :(

All the filling stations around here seem to be well stocked. No shortages in the supermarket afterwards either.
 

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Was a bit pissed at the price of 1.30/litre though.
Euros? Don't come to the UK anytime soon in that case, cheapest tractor juice around her is £1.37.9
Mind you, it was £1.35.9 the day before the panic buying started. Profiteering bastards. :mad:
 

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Euros? Don't come to the UK anytime soon in that case, cheapest tractor juice around her is £1.37.9
Mind you, it was £1.35.9 the day before the panic buying started. Profiteering bastards. :mad:

Due to go over for my mother's 89th birthday next month. Just been chatting with a mate who is also due to go over and he's hired his car as "Full to Empty". I hadn't thought of that...

(I'd been reading in the UK papers online how Spain is also supposed to be suffering from problems with lack of truck drivers. So thought I'd just confirm that that isn't the case for our fuel or food supplies. We do seem to be at the end of the supply chain for bike bits, though ?)
 

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You are well placed around here if you drive a petrol car.....no queues no limits....no diesel is why. Just been to Tesco....no difference..no empty shelves or missing ranges that I can see. Just as many cars and lorries on the road as usual .
 

steve_sordy

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Unlike toilet rolls, which can be stacked in every room in the house, once your tank is full, it's full! So the panic should be short lived. Then you will just have those folk that cause queues by topping off with 1-2 gallons each time.

So instead of announcing £30 maximum, they should be making it £30 minimum. (Motorbikes and scooters exempted).
 

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You are well placed around here if you drive a petrol car.....no queues no limits....no diesel is why. Just been to Tesco....no difference..no empty shelves or missing ranges that I can see. Just as many cars and lorries on the road as usual .

Same round our way. I’ve just filled up (with petrol), no queues. Diesel was out though
 

steve_sordy

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Wear a black outfit and black hat and sneak out at midnight to fill it up ?
If I was going to do that, it would be easier to steal it from next door's car!

By the way, with the price (and now alleged rarity) of fuel, how long before we see reports in the press of syphoned fuel tanks?
 

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Our treat yourself to a new E-Lawnmower, they’re great!
Our garden is on three levels and covers 0.3 acres. It has lots of odd shapes too that slow down the mowing. My wife spends hours cutting the grass. I make sure that her lawnmower starts first time, has sharp blades and never runs out of petrol. If ever she said that she wanted an electric one I'd run out and buy one!
Thank God that he finds grass cutting therapeutic! :ROFLMAO:
 

Tubby G

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Our garden is on three levels and covers 0.3 acres. It has lots of odd shapes too that slow down the mowing. My wife spends hours cutting the grass. I make sure that her lawnmower starts first time, has sharp blades and never runs out of petrol. If ever she said that she wanted an electric one I'd run out and buy one!
Thank God that he finds grass cutting therapeutic! :ROFLMAO:

I’ve got loads of petrol. You can come and syphon off some of mine in exchange for your wife mowing my lawns!
 

steve_sordy

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hmmmm ? ? ?
You wrote that, not me. Not judging.

I mean, you’re the only person I know where their ‘wife’ cuts the grass.
Oh dear, typo! :rolleyes:
My wife is definitely a she.

I have to dig holes, lay slabs, move turf, cut the hedges, plant & prune trees, move rubbish, use power tools like strimmers and hedge cutters, remove brambles, nettles, Hawthorne and anything else spikey. But yep, she loves cutting the grass. I don't know why, I'm just glad she does. She likes it so much that she cuts the lawns twice and sometimes three times per week. If it was up to me, it would be when I couldn't see a tennis ball! She has been doing it for over 35 years, so it's too late to stop now! :)
 

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This has been building for 20 years, not just in logistics and not just in the UK.
Managers now selected on having two-bit MBA's, over having any actual management or planning experience or skill.
All they understand is how to dial out cost, which is convenient because the money has run out, but In short means dialing out resource.

Any slack in the systems, which otherwise might have smoothed out minor issues is long gone.

So along comes Covid, Brexit, etc etc (whatever excuse or political slant folkj might want to exploit), throw in the pressures of over demand (nee over-population), then the media whips up the hysteria and you have a perfect storm.

Get used to it.

I won't be pessimistic about what comes next. But you might want to consider buying a pedal bike. ?

On a lighter note. I saw a joke this morning.
Sperm Banks running out of Sperm
Yes, because all the wankers are queuing outside filling stations
Alternatively there may not actually be a crisis at all! There are reports of significant HGV driver shortages dating back to 2019 and 2020 in Germany, Italy France as well as the UK so it is not something that just happened last week!! Those shortages a cross the board amount to an average of 15% of the ideal full workforce......something that is of course rarely achieved in many industries. In the UK the recent media driven panic for fuel was initiated by leaked information from a meeting held by HMG with the Road Haulage Association. Predictably the industry lobby was pushing for concessions to enable them to recruit more drivers. Interesting that what was not leaked was any move from the industry to improve pay and conditions which has long been a major issue for HGV drivers. There is no difference in the number of drivers this week compared to last month or the month before yet within a week of that meeting we have a so called crisis.
Of course the travel restrictions etc with the Covid lockdowns has had an impact, most speficially in terms of the suspension of HGV driving training and tests, and that is to be expected, so there is a hiatus in terms driver turnover but that is being addressed. Just like every other industry if a job is well paid and has attractive terms and conditions there is no problem recruiting staff.
The crisis, created out of nowhere, of course provides plenty of scope for political opportunism, and that may even have been the intention, but it is an unhelpful diversion. Note that none of the media stories give any details about labour shortfall between international hauliers and national or between the 4 different classes of HGV licence; whether it is contractor agencies that have the biggest shortfall or big corporate haulage firms. In fact no germain detail at all.
Reported driver shortages in 2020 ...Source Transport Intelligence Bath.

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Our garden is on three levels and covers 0.3 acres. It has lots of odd shapes too that slow down the mowing. My wife spends hours cutting the grass. I make sure that her lawnmower starts first time, has sharp blades and never runs out of petrol. If ever she said that she wanted an electric one I'd run out and buy one!
Thank God that he finds grass cutting therapeutic! :ROFLMAO:
My mower is mine. In fact every petrol garden piece of kit I own is mine. The other half once told me she had made the effort to cut the the lawn. It looked exactly the same as the day before :unsure: , it appeared she left the cutting height set to storage so the blade never even touched the grass.
Apparently it tuck her an hour to learn how to start it. She is banned from any gardening equipment but to be fair she doesn't give a sh$t :rolleyes:
You have a keeper Steve ;)
 

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@Mikerb It is almost 16 years since I gave up full time work in the Logistics industry. Transport was not my particular interest but the haulage industry then was warning of being 50,000 HGV drivers short and had been for many years (although I cannot recall now whether it was just class 1 or all of them). I used to wonder at the time how, with hours restricted by law, how the industry held together with so many drivers missing. Foreign drivers was the answer, which had the effect of holding down wages and conditions.

When the government stopped HGV driver training and testing during Covid, I wonder why the FTA, the RHA and other interested bodies did not shout from the rooftops what the effect would be. Maybe they were playing a long game to get driver's wages up? It worked anyway.
 

Mikerb

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As far as I can tell the shortfall included those foreign drivers but it appears most of those foreign drivers were on the International haulage side of things and took full advantage via agencies of the IR 35 loophole that is now closed. Some merely returned home during Covid and subsequently took other local jobs ( although looking at the reported driver shortages in many EU countries they clearly did not stay in the haulage industry!). Others found the closing of the IR35 loophole ( which effectively enabled them to avoid most UK NI and tax) made it far less attractive considering time away from home etc. UK based agency drivers may have also made the same decision.
 

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