maynard
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Then you can pretend its someone exotic doing it . Not jus some old dude . Which isn't sexy .Can't you just use the other hand?
Get well soon bru.
Decoy love was great while it lasted....
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bigwaves311
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Hey guys,
so i talked with my PT yesterday in person about the shoulder pads/ braces and she said they will not help prevent torn tendons, over extensions or more rotator cuff injuries. I was told those pads are meant for people who have dislocation problems and in fact she is working with a hockey player who's shoulder falls out and has to wear one but it does not prevent muscle/ tendon trauma. Yes it will help stop bruising but the only way to keep our tendons and muscles in place is to keep them strong avoid shock loads. Glad i didn't buy one before hearing that.
so i talked with my PT yesterday in person about the shoulder pads/ braces and she said they will not help prevent torn tendons, over extensions or more rotator cuff injuries. I was told those pads are meant for people who have dislocation problems and in fact she is working with a hockey player who's shoulder falls out and has to wear one but it does not prevent muscle/ tendon trauma. Yes it will help stop bruising but the only way to keep our tendons and muscles in place is to keep them strong avoid shock loads. Glad i didn't buy one before hearing that.
Jeffsy29
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@bigwaves311 - Dang....I'm surprised. I understand that one's own body is the best protection (esp. back support/flexibility), but I was thinking it would still be of some help to keep things integrated and less likely to get out of shape in the event of something happening. Bummer that it won't be anything to get me on the bike sooner than otherwise.
Just set up my indoor trainer yesterday for my street bike in the basement. Not a ton of resistance there...nothing like pedaling my heavy butt going up a hill! A bit noisy but ok w/ headphones. I could have splurged for an electronic resistance, more expensive model but I don't want to invest a lot in something that (I hope) I will never have to use again. Just trying to keep up the flexibility and knees lubricated. Squats and lunges are a better approximation of real-life biking resistance it seems.
wkearney99
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Makes breaking a collarbone some years ago seem like a walk in the park compared to that. Yikes!
Hope your healing process goes well.
Hope your healing process goes well.
High Rock Ruti
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High Rock Ruti
Recover as fast as you ride....really fast
Recognized with-you, when crashing at speed it's really hard to identify the how and why, "there I am just minding my own business" and wham I'm on the ground. I've superman-ed over the bars flat on my chest breaking 4 ribs during three crashes. Flexeril Cyclobenzaprine stops the muscle spasm, better living through chemicals.
Sorry about your injury. You may want to get several medical opinions. Shoulder is a very tricky joint and there not that many surgeons in the world who really know how to properly deal with these injuries. My incident was probably a bit more serious (a posterior dislocation, with a resulting glenoid impression fracture and labrum tear). Took a lot of time and research to find a good specialist. A range of opinions how to go about the situation was pretty wide: from conservative treatment to arthroscopy to open surgery with a bone graft. At the end of the day all worked out fine. The path to recovery was about nine months: 3 months of intensive post surgery rehab, another 4 months of very cautious exercising focused on mobility and stability and approximately after nine months I began doing more aggressive stuff like pull ups and skiing. Rebuilding confidence in the joint took much longer.
Jeffsy29
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Thanks all for wishes and advice. I'm slowly realizing (admitting?) that this may be a long-long recovery road until I'm able to swing a leg over the Decoy again without immediate danger of ruining my surgery. March 2021 isn't out of the question. It's quite depressing as I see other folks' RC surgery-recovery timelines, to be honest...esp. laid on top of our Covid19 situation where mountain-biking was my quick mental 'escape' and virtually only form of exercise.
An idea occurred to me...with all the demand for bikes these days and limited supply...it makes me wonder if I should just sell the Decoy to someone that doesn't want to wait and then see what comes in 2021? I've got all the time in the world to wait on YT's availability timelines. I feel like I'm squandering a precious resource these days with the bike shortage. I don't have any reason to sell other than it's literally going to just sit there for 4-6 months gathering webs and 'depreciating' (not entirely true since I run it in 'walk' mode occasionally to cycle the battery, give it a rub here and there with a microfiber cloth). And, I wouldn't want to sell it for anything less than list-price though being just 2-rides old....not sure there's a market for marked-up used Decoys (there certainly is for $400-600 bikes).
I know YT just released the Shred version which isn't really for me, but I do wonder what's ahead on Decoy v2, and who doesn't love assembling a just-arrived YT bike, it's like Christmas morning!
Just keep it....right?
An idea occurred to me...with all the demand for bikes these days and limited supply...it makes me wonder if I should just sell the Decoy to someone that doesn't want to wait and then see what comes in 2021? I've got all the time in the world to wait on YT's availability timelines. I feel like I'm squandering a precious resource these days with the bike shortage. I don't have any reason to sell other than it's literally going to just sit there for 4-6 months gathering webs and 'depreciating' (not entirely true since I run it in 'walk' mode occasionally to cycle the battery, give it a rub here and there with a microfiber cloth). And, I wouldn't want to sell it for anything less than list-price though being just 2-rides old....not sure there's a market for marked-up used Decoys (there certainly is for $400-600 bikes).
I know YT just released the Shred version which isn't really for me, but I do wonder what's ahead on Decoy v2, and who doesn't love assembling a just-arrived YT bike, it's like Christmas morning!
Just keep it....right?
BTTB
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Had 2 AC joint decompression surgeries both due to wipeouts one on berm landed like a bag of spuds.The other was due to me trying to hug a tree on a red run. These only took a week of post surgery pain, but unable to ride for 2 months.
But Jan 2019 I had a big fall snowboarding, MRI showed I'd detached my supraspinatus ..:0( ended up having RC surgery where they screwed and stitched it into place. Total bitch of a recovery , static sling 6 weeks , 12 weeks rehab and even now its not 100%.
I was able to ride a mtb 6 months post op on easy greens I think I could have pushed it and rode my bike around 5 months, but honestly after long and hard rehab I decided not too rush things as didn't fancy repeating the downtime.
Totally worth it though looking back.
Just get yourself sorted out and take your time with your recovery the mountains have been there before us and will still be there once you're fit again.
Good luck
But Jan 2019 I had a big fall snowboarding, MRI showed I'd detached my supraspinatus ..:0( ended up having RC surgery where they screwed and stitched it into place. Total bitch of a recovery , static sling 6 weeks , 12 weeks rehab and even now its not 100%.
I was able to ride a mtb 6 months post op on easy greens I think I could have pushed it and rode my bike around 5 months, but honestly after long and hard rehab I decided not too rush things as didn't fancy repeating the downtime.
Totally worth it though looking back.
Just get yourself sorted out and take your time with your recovery the mountains have been there before us and will still be there once you're fit again.
Good luck
High Rock Ruti
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High Rock Ruti Update
Over the bars landed on my back (pack) in a tangle soft forest shrubbery.....until I tried to move and realized I was in a nasty grove of Greenbrier, a thorny green vine that likes a moist environment, like my skin for instance. Hope your on your feet soon.
bigwaves311
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JEFFSY29 - Dont sell your bike man. Now you have the time to do all the bling and tuning you would ever want. Also, there is no guarantee that when you are ready to get back on the bike there will be one waiting for you to buy.
SidLawrence
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Man......I feel your pain!?
On the 03rd July I suffered a loss of talent & met a tree shoulder first at 29kph....I didn’t know what I’d done, but knew it was time for a trip to A&E. Managed to cycle back to the car, load up &drive myself to hospital.
Suffered a ‘Complete Grade V AC joint injury with superior dislocation of the distale clavicle and tear of the acromioclavicular and coracoclavicular ligaments’
No question of any other road but surgery. Went under the knife on the 16th July. Happy to say that as op +4 draws to a close, things seem pretty good. There’s obviously discomfort & a wee bit of pain, but that’s what the happy pills are for! Biggest inconvenience is sleeping in a chair, lying simply isn’t a runner yet.
I’ve my check up on the 30th & anticipate being back in work in 4-6 weeks. Hoping to be running greens & blues in October ??
Arm is in a sling & will be for a while yet, but 3 times a day I’ve mobility exercises to do & those are going well.
Surgeon anticipates a full recovery too 100% strength & mobility within 6 months at the outside.
A broken collar bone would’ve been much easier! ?
Going to have a reasonable scar
Before
On the 03rd July I suffered a loss of talent & met a tree shoulder first at 29kph....I didn’t know what I’d done, but knew it was time for a trip to A&E. Managed to cycle back to the car, load up &drive myself to hospital.
Suffered a ‘Complete Grade V AC joint injury with superior dislocation of the distale clavicle and tear of the acromioclavicular and coracoclavicular ligaments’
No question of any other road but surgery. Went under the knife on the 16th July. Happy to say that as op +4 draws to a close, things seem pretty good. There’s obviously discomfort & a wee bit of pain, but that’s what the happy pills are for! Biggest inconvenience is sleeping in a chair, lying simply isn’t a runner yet.
I’ve my check up on the 30th & anticipate being back in work in 4-6 weeks. Hoping to be running greens & blues in October ??
Arm is in a sling & will be for a while yet, but 3 times a day I’ve mobility exercises to do & those are going well.
Surgeon anticipates a full recovery too 100% strength & mobility within 6 months at the outside.
A broken collar bone would’ve been much easier! ?
Going to have a reasonable scar
Before
Jeffsy29
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Man......I feel your pain!?
On the 03rd July I suffered a loss of talent & met a tree shoulder first at 29kph....I didn’t know what I’d done, but knew it was time for a trip to A&E. Managed to cycle back to the car, load up &drive myself to hospital.
Suffered a ‘Complete Grade V AC joint injury with superior dislocation of the distale clavicle and tear of the acromioclavicular and coracoclavicular ligaments’
No question of any other road but surgery. Went under the knife on the 16th July. Happy to say that as op +4 draws to a close, things seem pretty good. There’s obviously discomfort & a wee bit of pain, but that’s what the happy pills are for! Biggest inconvenience is sleeping in a chair, lying simply isn’t a runner yet.
I’ve my check up on the 30th & anticipate being back in work in 4-6 weeks. Hoping to be running greens & blues in October ??
Arm is in a sling & will be for a while yet, but 3 times a day I’ve mobility exercises to do & those are going well.
Surgeon anticipates a full recovery too 100% strength & mobility within 6 months at the outside.
A broken collar bone would’ve been much easier! ?
Going to have a reasonable scar
Before
@SidLawrence - Yowza! So sorry to hear. Yeah these high-speed falls are something....and the speed is just so addictive. Hard not to push limits.
Back on the trails by October? I LOVE hearing that...but I won't assume that's my timeline. There's a 15-mile fun-ride I usually do with my kids in October but I'm reluctant to register as it seems like post-surgery RTC timelines are more like 6 months for weight bearing.
Here's to a speedy and full recovery for both of us!
SidLawrence
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Speedy recovery to you too my friend!
I‘m guessing recovery is very much individual & based on many variables. I’m also guessing that damage to the Rotator Cuff is more significant that damage to the AC joint. My surgeon seemed really confident & whilst getting back to work must be the priority......I simply cannot wait to get back out on the bike! If I can manage the fire roads & perhaps a wee bit more in October I’ll be delighted!
His exact words (in front of the wife! ??) were, you should be back out on the bike in 12 weeks. So fingers crossed!
Here’s hoping for a speedy return ??
BTTB
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Wow I thought my accident was painful hope your road to recovery is swift ?
Btw I've invested in a D3O jacket from Xion these guys started out providing protection for stunt people.
IMO They do some cracking gear and I now use my Xion D3O half jacket for riding and snowboarding ?
Definately worth a peek at their website XION Protective Gear
Btw I've invested in a D3O jacket from Xion these guys started out providing protection for stunt people.
IMO They do some cracking gear and I now use my Xion D3O half jacket for riding and snowboarding ?
Definately worth a peek at their website XION Protective Gear
SidLawrence
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That’s great gear! We‘ve just bought it for work & I’ll certainly be investing personally as well! ?
Jeffsy29
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@BTTB - those XION shirts are interesting....and I've definitely been considering adding a layer of shoulder protection. My fall prior to this last one was my left shoulder, so it seems those are the high-likelihood areas I need to protect since I don't do a ton of rock-gardens.
Are the D30 pads removable? I don't anticipate needing the chest/pec or back coverage as much since I ride w/ hydration pack and if/when I've had rib hits, it's been mostly lower or to the side, not right in the meat of my pecs....but I'd love that shoulder and side-rib coverage.
High Rock Ruti
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High Rock RutiMan......I feel your pain!?
On the 03rd July I suffered a loss of talent & met a tree shoulder first at 29kph....I didn’t know what I’d done, but knew it was time for a trip to A&E. Managed to cycle back to the car, load up &drive myself to hospital.
Suffered a ‘Complete Grade V AC joint injury with superior dislocation of the distale clavicle and tear of the acromioclavicular and coracoclavicular ligaments’
No question of any other road but surgery. Went under the knife on the 16th July. Happy to say that as op +4 draws to a close, things seem pretty good. There’s obviously discomfort & a wee bit of pain, but that’s what the happy pills are for! Biggest inconvenience is sleeping in a chair, lying simply isn’t a runner yet.
I’ve my check up on the 30th & anticipate being back in work in 4-6 weeks. Hoping to be running greens & blues in October ??
Arm is in a sling & will be for a while yet, but 3 times a day I’ve mobility exercises to do & those are going well.
Surgeon anticipates a full recovery too 100% strength & mobility within 6 months at the outside.
A broken collar bone would’ve been much easier! ?
Going to have a reasonable scar
Before View attachment 36336
View attachment 36337
Clearly the tattoo prevented greater injury, keeps evil spirits (and trees) away. Your in the mend mate.
Warm Regards
Ruti
BTTB
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Yep all pads are fully removable , But I only remove them for washing the jacket
I opted for a thicker back pad as wanted more spine protection when snowboarding ?
These are cheap on Amazon . ca, but would be too warm for summer months if pedaling up - even with the ebike.
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BenKen Ultra Light Protective Gear Skiing Body Armor Spine Back Protector Outdoor Sports Anti-Collision Clothing for Snowboard Skating Skiing Riding Motorcycle Motocross
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BenKen Ultra Light Protective Gear Skiing Body Armor Spine Back Protector Outdoor Sports Anti-Collision Clothing for Snowboard Skating Skiing Riding Motorcycle Motocross
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Jeffsy29
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@leftside - Thanks for the tip. Looking at their size-chart I think it's going to be a bit too small for my build - but if that's D30-like protection that is a good value.
Currently looking at the Leatt 3DF Airfit Lite Shoulder Tee-2XL. Appears lightweight - and covers mostly just shoulders which is my area of concern (my two main 'downs' in the past 3+ years heavily involved shoulders - just minor scrapes elsewhere). Not that the past predicts the future....but seems that I end up landing on them. Of course I don't even need to buy any of this stuff for months since I'll be home-bound most of the time except for PT!
I think these types of devices are great for impact, but suspect they provide little protection against cuff/labrum pathology or dislocation. Devices that have a strap connecting upper arm to torso would provide protection against such, but those devices greatly restrict range of motion (by design) and so aren't tolerated well or practical.
Jeffsy29
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@YokoOno - I'll take the additional protection since it's such a light package. Even 20% less impact might help, or distribution across the area.
RE: Braces....Do you mean like this one from Leatt? I was thinking of getting that too, more for stabilization.....and a 'reminder' for myself when htting the trails again of what happened underneath.
Shoulder Brace
<p align="center"><strong>Anatomically Correct Shoulder Brace to Protect and Prevent Shoulder Dislocation <em><br /></em></strong></p> <p>The shoulder brace was designed in partnership with orthopaedic surgeons to prevent shoulder dislocation. CE tested and certified, the brace pulls the...
www.leatt.com
@YokoOno - I'll take the additional protection since it's such a light package. Even 20% less impact might help, or distribution across the area.
RE: Braces....Do you mean like this one from Leatt? I was thinking of getting that too, more for stabilization.....and a 'reminder' for myself when htting the trails again of what happened underneath.
Shoulder Brace
<p align="center"><strong>Anatomically Correct Shoulder Brace to Protect and Prevent Shoulder Dislocation <em><br /></em></strong></p> <p>The shoulder brace was designed in partnership with orthopaedic surgeons to prevent shoulder dislocation. CE tested and certified, the brace pulls the...
Yes, that type is much better than the impact type. But ultimate protection is the ones that have an adjustable strap from arm to chest. Again, they are not well tolerated and very restrictive and I don't think very practical for biking.
That looks great. A little more beefier than my g-form (which has been great btw) and certainly lighter than the heavier one from Amazon I showed. I'd say the past does predict the future when it comes to crashes (at least for me). Shoulders and lower back for me. Something like what you showed (or g-form shirt for me) + Ergon BP1 is my current summer time protection (+ G-form elbow and knees). I add D30 into the BP1 side pockets to give some side protection. I also use one of those detachable chin full-face helmets from Bell. Best helmet ever.
High Rock Ruti
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High Rock Ruti
I used the POC DH mesh jacket for 3 years, very hot, very durable, and the rips in the mesh a testament to prevention. The heat in the summer became too much and I bought the forcefield road racing, looks ridiculous, works amazingly well, expensive right up until fall on it. Last OTB landed on both elbows and one knee hard enough to remove the skin on all three impact points. Almost no pain and other than the skin no injury at all. Looks over the top but, rode the rest of the ride no problem. The shoulders and elbows are connected by elastic straps allowing for great ventilation.
I used the POC DH mesh jacket for 3 years, very hot, very durable, and the rips in the mesh a testament to prevention. The heat in the summer became too much and I bought the forcefield road racing, looks ridiculous, works amazingly well, expensive right up until fall on it. Last OTB landed on both elbows and one knee hard enough to remove the skin on all three impact points. Almost no pain and other than the skin no injury at all. Looks over the top but, rode the rest of the ride no problem. The shoulders and elbows are connected by elastic straps allowing for great ventilation.
Flite+ looks good...
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Camstyn
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2014 I separated my left rotator cuff and AC joint, I thought that really sucked. 2018 I broke the head of my humerus off and shattered it, separated right RC, broke my neck, sternum, ribs and punctured lung. That really sucked. 2 surgeries to repair the humerus, and they cut through a lot of tendons/muscles to gain access to that part of your shoulder so recovery was incredibly slow/painful. I was able to start riding again, carefully, after about 8-10 weeks but had no shoulder strength and very limited ROM. After about a year I was only at maybe 50%. Now it’s at probably 80% and life has gotten back to normal. The shoulder is a little funky but it works. Not sending it like I used to.
Get well soon! Shoulder injuries are the worst. As said above do the PT, it’s really stupid not to. And try not to do it again.
Get well soon! Shoulder injuries are the worst. As said above do the PT, it’s really stupid not to. And try not to do it again.
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