Comparison of Rise M20 vs Rise M10; worth the difference?

[Edmu]

Comparison of Rise M20 vs Rise M10; worth the difference?

It seems to me that the difference between the M 10 and the M 20 consists of several components (like carbon instead of alum crank arms) being switched to an otherwise identical bike (frame, motor, battery bank, etc).

Has anyone made the cost analysis of the specific components to see if the $1800+ price difference is justified?

This would be helpful in at least two ways:
A. Opting for a the M20 and save yourself the difference.
B. Buying the M20, and the different components as additional upgrades from other vendors. 4 Benefits:

1. pick and choose only what you want upgraded.
2. perhaps, getting a better price for the components than the M10/20 difference.
3. going for other (better suited for your taste) components that are not made available thru Orbea’s OEMs.
In fact, the desired upgrades may be sitting in your garage, or installed in your previous bike.
4. getting the bike earlier when the M20 is in stock where the M10 are still only available thru preorders.

 

[faberle]

Ordered the xd compatible freehub to try my stump’s sram axs 10-52 xx01 groupset on the rise, keeping the stock raceface wheels. + cane creek spacer (30.9 to 31.6mm) to try my Levo’s axs reverb seatoost. Nothing wrong with m10 stock but I love Axs smoothness and clean cockpit. Will report back shortly.

 

[b33k34]

Comparison of Rise M20 vs Rise M10; worth the difference?

It seems to me that the difference between the M 10 and the M 20 consists of several components (like carbon instead of alum crank arms) being switched to an otherwise identical bike (frame, motor, battery bank, etc).

Has anyone made the cost analysis of the specific components to see if the $1800+ price difference is justified?

Yes, I did this. There are enough parts on the M10 that I would not plan on upgrading for the life of the bike to make the spend worthwhile up front. Namely:

Fox 36 Grip 2 is a significantly better fork (for heavier/more aggressive riders and bigger terrain) than a 34 Performance. Difference in retail price is £400 but would lose a lot on a used 34.
Rear shock, again DPX2 is a much better shock. £+260 at retail.
Wheelset - the RF wheel set on the M10 is a top end aluminium wheel set - exactly what I'd buy speccing a bike. £+440

That was basically enough for me. Would cost me more in the long run to get the bike I wanted. Now, maybe you'd be able to pick up wheels or shocks at a good discount and save some money but not much stock around even at full price right now so thats very much playing the long game.

 

[faberle]

Yes, I did this. There are enough parts on the M10 that I would not plan on upgrading for the life of the bike to make the spend worthwhile up front. Namely:

Fox 36 Grip 2 is a significantly better fork (for heavier/more aggressive riders and bigger terrain) than a 34 Performance. Difference in retail price is £400 but would lose a lot on a used 34.
Rear shock, again DPX2 is a much better shock. £+260 at retail.
Wheelset - the RF wheel set on the M10 is a top end aluminium wheel set - exactly what I'd buy speccing a bike. £+440

That was basically enough for me. Would cost me more in the long run to get the bike I wanted. Now, maybe you'd be able to pick up wheels or shocks at a good discount and save some money but not much stock around even at full price right now so thats very much playing the long game.

Fully agree and I would add the XT double piston brake on the M10 requiring no upgrade, unlike the SLX single piston on the M20

 

[b33k34]

Fully agree and I would add the XT double piston brake on the M10 requiring no upgrade, unlike the SLX single piston on the M20

is the M20 even SLX? I thought it was a non-series brake.

I'd forgotten this one as I swapped out the shimano for SRAM Codes... (and covered cost completely selling the XT's) but yes, add the brake cost and you've covered the uplift (without accounting for any losses selling the parts off the m20). All the other changes 'come for free'

 

[Tubby G]

I’ve ordered the M20’s (2, one for her too) as the M10 availability was much scarcer. My LBS will be upgrading the brakes to Magura MT5’s and front rotors to 203mm, and offsetting the cost against the parts they remove from the Rise. I’ve also upgraded the forks to the 36 on one of the bikes (hers is due soon whereas mine is pre-production). The upgrading of fork didn’t add any extra lead time, and only worked out an extra £350 whereas doing this myself and trying to privately sell the used 34 would have taken far longer and cost more, and that’s if I could have found a 36 to buy

The M10’s did indeed seem a better value when you look at the individual costs of components and fitting them yourself, but availability is being quoted at March 2023 by some bike shops, whereas I managed to source 2 x M20’s much sooner. Also, buying two bikes at once would have cost far more if I’d taken the M10 route

If you look on the Orbea website you can easily add a few upgrades to the M20 and they are being quoted as availability May 2022, whereas the M10’s are showing as unavailable

 

[faberle]

is the M20 even SLX? I thought it was a non-series brake.

I'd forgotten this one as I swapped out the shimano for SRAM Codes... (and covered cost completely selling the XT's) but yes, add the brake cost and you've covered the uplift (without accounting for any losses selling the parts off the m20). All the other changes 'come for free'

Your are right. M20 has shimano Deore actually.