Chain vs cable for bike security

[urastus]

I have seen two vids by this guy who says he is doing lock reviews. So why does it look like an on-line school for bike thieves?

It's a strange thing, but lock picking is all the rage in the US. I think it is all tied into the survival thing that has been going on there, in a big way, for the last 10 years or so. It's where all those terms like edc (every day carry), bugout, and bugout bag have popped up. I think this guy is just showing that nothing is theftproof. In reality I think if you have something that he has taken an unusual amount of time to break open, you should be reasonably safe because I'm guessing a thief would go for an easier target. He does highlight how easily some locks can be bypassed, some without picking at all because of some poor design.

 

[maynard]

Nah mate

I've done a fair few insurance quotes for high end components robbed from "secured" bikes though

Yep I'm an inmate

 

[urastus]

Nah mate

I've done a fair few insurance quotes for high end components robbed from "secured" bikes though

my ancestors were Scottish

 

[StealthChesnut]

I have seen two vids by this guy who says he is doing lock reviews. So why does it look like an on-line school for bike thieves?

It's a tricky subject - responsible disclosure (one I deal with in my line of work). The guy is demonstrating that most locks don't permanently secure something, they're just easy to open with a key and a bit harder without it. In some cases it can be easier without the key!

Like everything, the lock manufacturers will make wild claims about max security and bulldog strength (or whatever patriotic balls applies locally) and slap it on the side of something the trainee knocked up.

The crooks already know all this stuff, its not hard to find online, so it's better we know not to buy X because it's made of cheeseium, or if you tickle it here it falls apart. Or do you keep it a secret and hope the crooks don't know?

 

[urastus]

What you need is an alarm mine, like this:

Bisley Alarm Mine Gate Fence Trip Line Wire 12G

Alarm Mine Gate Fence Trip Line Wire 12G Blank Firer Pest Intruder

www.onogo.com

It is a spring loaded, trip wire release and fires a blank shotgun cartridge. Guaranteed to scare the crap out of anyone invading your garage. Just attach the trip wire to your bike, unobtrusively of course.

I used to study with some dudes from a local prison - it was part of their socialisation leading up to release. One of them was in for using such a device. He had a big plot of marijuana in the bush. He was poor though, so just used an old shotgun, pointing in the wrong direction, and he forgot to take the shot out ?. It worked, but he was charged with grievous bodily harm or something similar

 

[StilusBoy79]

It seems these little fkers have been causing mayhem near us. For last theee weeks the sheds and garages have been pillaged.

Police caught two of them. But it seems they were of Irish descent apparently and still the 3am raids persist.

I have spotted similar clad folk at 3:30 on my cctv more than once this week.

One thing they seem to do is arrive by bike. Stash them somewhere in another’s garden and make off with new ones I observed.

Anyway I’m thinking that as they ride away on bikes, apart from removing chains or pedals or wheels.

Is there some easy way to lock your chain or crank that’s hard to cut off but easy to remove for us, as the owner?

 

[urastus]

The best we can do is slow them down to the point where they might leave for an easier target. With this in mind, what about a small but heavy (thick) padlock through the chain ring and around the chain, locking the chain to the chain ring. Some details - a reasonably tight fit will make it harder to get bolt cutters on, and hopefully they'll only be able to get the end of the jaws on where a lot more power is needed. If you can manage to fit the lock so that the body faces out and can't be turned around, that would be a huge bonus. They'd have to attack from the other side and under the bike or take the time to turn the bike upside down. If done well, I think you'd realistically limit their option to carrying the bike, unless they felt comfortable taking their time with the lock where they were. An audible alarm would be an awesome way of limiting their time - old school linked to doors and windows of your shed; when the connection breaks, the alarm goes off. Or a floodlight that is movement activated.

Would you consider getting an emu?

 

[Monkey Dog]

It seems these little fkers have been causing mayhem near us. For last theee weeks the sheds and garages have been pillaged.

Police caught two of them. But it seems they were of Irish descent apparently and still the 3am raids persist.

I have spotted similar clad folk at 3:30 on my cctv more than once this week.

One thing they seem to do is arrive by bike. Stash them somewhere in another’s garden and make off with new ones I observed.

Anyway I’m thinking that as they ride away on bikes, apart from removing chains or pedals or wheels.

Is there some easy way to lock your chain or crank that’s hard to cut off but easy to remove for us, as the owner?

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I don't know how much room you have to play with, but a decent shutter lock may fit. The shackle is enclosed with the shoulders. Don't skimp & go for a Chinese one.

 

[Monkey Dog]

Just a few pics to give an idea. These all have Boron shackles. They can't be bolt cropped & cutting with a hacksaw is impossible. It'll take two possibly three batteries in an angle grinder to cut through the largest shackle. The smallest one with a closed shackle is an Abloy 342. The largest one with the closed shackle is the (bad boy) Abloy 362. The one with the none enclosed shackle is an Abloy 350.
I use three 362's in my garage & I've fabricated my own door furniture for the locks. Basically a thieves nemesis.

 

[StilusBoy79]

Just a few pics to give an idea. These all have Boron shackles. They can't be bolt cropped & cutting with a hacksaw is impossible. It'll take two possibly three batteries in an angle grinder to cut through the largest shackle. The smallest one with a closed shackle is an Abloy 342. The largest one with the closed shackle is the (bad boy) Abloy 362. The one with the none enclosed shackle is an Abloy 350.
I use three 362's in my garage & I've fabricated my own door furniture for the locks. Basically a thieves nemesis.

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Nice! I guess cutting the gears/ring would be the easiest path for them there.

It mithers me how much free time I end up spending and cash on this issue. Tracking device for this or my motorbike next ....

Still it’s worth it for the fun times !

 

[Monkey Dog]

Nice! I guess cutting the gears/ring would be the easiest path for them there.

It mithers me how much free time I end up spending and cash on this issue. Tracking device for this or my motorbike next ....

Still it’s worth it for the fun times !

I agree with you. Urastus mentioned the idea, thought I'd see if it was possible. One through each disc rotor too would render them to carrying.
Just slows them down & crims hate spending too long on something.
I have a good mate that was once very dodgy. He told me that whatever you can do to hinder is good.

 

[urastus]

The Kiwis (colloquial term for inhabitants of NZ) have their security needs sorted


He's a tough fucker

 

[SquireRides]

Fubozone or Fobozone? The amazon listings can't decide (one name in title, different name in pictures). But thanks for creating the forum account today just to promote the product.

 

[ruturaj]

I have this one

New York Fahgettaboudit Chain 1415

www.kryptonitelock.com

It's 15 pounds in weight, solid chain.