Brake upgrading

[Zimmerframe]

Can anyone see a suitable bleed kit from these chaps, might as well order at the same time, there’s loads...

Shimano ZEE BR-M640-B D01S Disc Brake Set | Disc Brake - Sets Shop

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Generally, this little bad boy is all you need ..

Bleed Kit with Funnel and Oil Stopper

Suitable for BL-M9000 BL-M9020 BL-M988 BL-M985 BL-M8000 BL-M785 BL-M820 BL-M675 BL-M666 BL-M640 BL-M615 BL-M596 BL-M575 BL-M506 BL-M445 BL-M395 BL-M396 BL-M355 BL-S700 BL-T785 BL-T675...

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with some fluid ..

Mineral Brake Fluid GREEN 100ml

Features Better modulation & less overheating Reliable brake lever performance Extremely high boiling point Suitable for Shimano and Magura brakes Scope of delivery 1 x Mineral Brake Fluid GRÜN 100 ml

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[Bigtuna00]

Freestroke adjust on those Saints does fk all anyway

 

[simonk]

I was told by my LBS that Zees were discontinued ?‍ Perhaps why there’s no UK stock.

 

[Bigtuna00]

Don't underestimate the value of tooless reach adjust. Also Zees don't have Servo Wave. EDIT: I'm mistaken, they do have Servo Wave, just a less aggressive ramp up. And they *might* come with resin pads, not sure on that.

I tried the XT 4-pots but ended up on Saints. I still wanted more power. To be clear the Saint and XT calipers are identical. Only the levers are different.

I got my Saints for $150 each off BikeInn. One of the best upgrades I've made.

 

[Forever Wild]

Here’s my steed 2021 ORBEA Wild FS H30 but I’m looking to upgrade the brakes. I’ve seen some second hand saint M810 for front/rear at a decent price so was wondering for £150 if that’s the best deal?

I have these four brakes on my bikes:

1. Shimano SLX - 200mm rotor (2018 Stumpjumper)
2. Shimano XT - 180mm rotor (2015 Stumpjumper)
3. Shimano MT520 - 200mm rotor (Trek Powerfly)
4. Shram Guide RE - 200mm rotor (Kenevo)

They all work equally well to me. I probably prefer the Shram Guide RE by a smidge. Not sure why.

 

[carlbiker]

I have these four brakes on my bikes:

1. Shimano SLX - 200mm rotor (2018 Stumpjumper)
2. Shimano XT - 180mm rotor (2015 Stumpjumper)
3. Shimano MT520 - 200mm rotor (Trek Powerfly)
4. Shram Guide RE - 200mm rotor (Kenevo)

They all work equally well to me. I probably prefer the Shram Guide RE by a smidge. Not sure why.

Shhhhhh fruity m o d u l a t i o n......

 

[carlbiker]

Zee Germans have my order! Cheers gents

 

[Norcalsl]

Anything but SRAM....

 

[carlbiker]

I think I’ve already got 203 rotars front/back....

hopefully get these new brakes this week, might end up getting them fitted if it’s not straightforward and the wiring is all internally routed which might be a bugger, can get it fitted for £30

 

[Mteam]

Seeing as your current brakes are shimano, the new brakes are also shimano, and you would have to take the hoses off to swap the levers around on the new brakes , you might be able to get away with reusing the hoses from the old brakes, and just unbolt the caliper and levers from each end and replace with the calipers and levers that you have bought.

You will need to re bleed them for definite (but you would have had to do this for the rear at least with internal routing) - but might save some faffing about routing the hoses.

tip for you - Do NOT be tempted to leave the brake pads in the calipers whilst rebleeding, and do not leave the wheel with the brake rotor on it, in the frame whilst rebleeding. However much you think you'll be able to bleed them without spilling any fluid - you wont, you will spill some fluid and if you left the pads in the caliper or the brake disc in the caliper it will get contaminated and ruin the braking. Before you put the pads back in, or the wheels into the frame, clean the caliper thoroughly. If so much as a spot of oil gets on the pads or disc you are stuffed.

 

[carlbiker]

Seeing as your current brakes are shimano, the new brakes are also shimano, and you would have to take the hoses off to swap the levers around on the new brakes , you might be able to get away with reusing the hoses from the old brakes, and just unbolt the caliper and levers from each end and replace with the calipers and levers that you have bought.

You will need to re bleed them for definite (but you would have had to do this for the rear at least with internal routing) - but might save some faffing about routing the hoses.

tip for you - Do NOT be tempted to leave the brake pads in the calipers whilst rebleeding, and do not leave the wheel with the brake rotor on it, in the frame whilst rebleeding. However much you think you'll be able to bleed them without spilling any fluid - you wont, you will spill some fluid and if you left the pads in the caliper or the brake disc in the caliper it will get contaminated and ruin the braking. Before you put the pads back in, or the wheels into the frame, clean the caliper thoroughly. If so much as a spot of oil gets on the pads or disc you are stuffed.

I might just have a go at it!! Cheers

 

[carlbiker]

I’d asked the guys at the store but they were slow to reply they said

‘those brakes can´t be switched. You will have to disconnect the brake houses.’

I can’t get my head around how a rh brake will go into a lh unless it’s symmetrical and therefore doesn’t matter......hmm

that said, if the biking gods are toying with me I’ll order the shigara combo I think!

 

[Mteam]

I’d asked the guys at the store but they were slow to reply they said

‘those brakes can´t be switched. You will have to disconnect the brake houses.’

I can’t get my head around how a rh brake will go into a lh unless it’s symmetrical and therefore doesn’t matter......hmm

that said, if the biking gods are toying with me I’ll order the shigara combo I think!

FFS ( ;-) ) its like this:-

- When you get the brakes the left lever will be connected to the front caliper, the right lever will be connected to the rear caliper
- You want them the other way round, so you disconnect the hose from the left lever, disconnect the hose from the right lever , and swap the hoses round. The levers stay in the same place. Capiche?


Some brakes (sram), the levers can be moved left to right/right to left because they are symetrical, so you dont have to disconnect and swap the hoses round, but thats not the case with shimano or magura.

 

[Zimmerframe]

I can’t get my head around how a rh brake will go into a lh unless it’s symmetrical and therefore doesn’t matter......hmm

You could just install them as they come and run them in Euro spec. The advantage here is that if someone steals your bike, the first thing they'll do is fly over the handlebars so you should easily be able to catch them up

 

[Jackware]

You could just install them as they come and run them in Euro spec. The advantage here is that if someone steals your bike, the first thing they'll do is fly over the handlebars so you should easily be able to catch them up

Unless they're European

 

[Wiltshire Warrior]

what about these

 

[Zimmerframe]

- When you get the brakes the left lever will be connected to the front caliper, the right lever will be connected to the rear caliper
- You want them the other way round, so you disconnect the hose from the left lever, disconnect the hose from the right lever , and swap the hoses round. The levers stay in the same place. Capiche?

Sounds complicated. Can I just use the bike upside down instead ?

 

[carlbiker]

FFS ( ;-) ) its like this:-

- When you get the brakes the left lever will be connected to the front caliper, the right lever will be connected to the rear caliper
- You want them the other way round, so you disconnect the hose from the left lever, disconnect the hose from the right lever , and swap the hoses round. The levers stay in the same place. Capiche?


Some brakes (sram), the levers can be moved left to right/right to left because they are symetrical, so you dont have to disconnect and swap the hoses round, but thats not the case with shimano or magura.

it made sense the first time, until they said ‘oh no you can’t swap’ instead of ‘sure, but you’ll just disconnect some shiz’.......the lols!

 

[carlbiker]

Sounds complicated. Can I just use the bike upside down instead ?

I thought you already spent most your riding inverted??

 

[carlbiker]

Turns out I need one of these too Wolf Tooth Shiftmount Black £27 for a piece of metal goddamit! Shimano Ev to B.....

ive not tried to do myself as yesterday I’ve hit a tree head on, ‘touch wood’ I think I’ve not broken my neck although I heard all sorts of cracking! From my waist up is just agony but I gave some of my protective gear a good test!! Ideally a neck brace would be there but meh.....so took it upto the shop since I can’t move my limbs correctly ?

Just one thing the evans mechanic said he didn’t think the zee calliper would offer any more than the stock shimano one that’s already installed (4 pot unbranded deora in his words) but the levers would.....if this is the case I’d return the callipers but thought I’d ask you fine folk first

 

[CrzyMD]

I absolutely hate the Code R’s that came stock on the Levo. Wanted to go with Hope Tech 3 V4 which I run and love on my acoustic bikes. However, somewhere I read that the braided brake lines won’t slide thru the carbon frame in the rear. Anybody have any experience with those brakes?

 

[Gary]

you don't have to run braided hoses with hope brakes.
it's an option when buying (non braided is cheaper too)

 

[CrzyMD]

I contacted Hope and they said the braided brake lines should work on the Specialized Turbo Levo's. Both the braided and non braided lines measure 5 mm outside diameter.

 

[Rosemount]

FFS ( ;-) ) its like this:-

- When you get the brakes the left lever will be connected to the front caliper, the right lever will be connected to the rear caliper
- You want them the other way round, so you disconnect the hose from the left lever, disconnect the hose from the right lever , and swap the hoses round. The levers stay in the same place. Capiche?


Some brakes (sram), the levers can be moved left to right/right to left because they are symetrical, so you dont have to disconnect and swap the hoses round, but thats not the case with shimano or magura.

Magura MT5 can be used left or right side .
No left - right lever .

 

[Mteam]

Magura MT5 can be used left or right side .
No left - right lever .

Yes I know-I have a set.

He was talking about shimano zee brakes when I wrote that post thougj

 

[Zimmerframe]

You wrote the same thing twice. You wrote the same thing twice.

Did I ??

been blown up too many times

I thought it was just your ego being inflated ?

Sounds a bit like "Flossy", the new love of my life ....

 

[Zimmerframe]

Who’s he? Must have a skinny wang For that nickname.....flossy

I think he said he was a dentist ..

 

[Rosemount]

The Cube Stereo 160 has composite levers .
The MT5 set I bought has alloy levers .

 

[Zimmerframe]

I think the MT5 now comes as standard with the carbotecture levers. It used to come as standard with the aluminium levers - which I think are now the re-designed HC Aluminium levers.

I guess there's a good chance that OEM versions might still be using older fabricated aluminium units, or possibly Magura offer different OEM options.

If you buy an MT5 brake set, the versions listed as "MT5 Next" all seem to come with Aluminium levers.

Magura mainly make Injection moulded car parts, so they have a lot of experience in making injection moulded resin/plastic parts.

Some people, in colder climates, swap to the carbotecture blades for the cold season as they're nicer on the fingers than the Aluminium ones.