Body armour, so much choice

[andronin]

I wear my Leatt as a base layer on basically every ride. It has saved my ass from what could have been far worse shoulder and back injuries for normal trail rides and for some lite gravity.
That being said whenever I go for a park gravity day I can pop on a hard shell over the top, knee pads and elbows.

leatt

Soft And Super Slim With Impact Foam Designed for ultimate comfort and function, this super slim CE Certified Airlfex body protector is lightweight and ideal f ...

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leatt

Exceptional Protection Slim And Light Hard Shell With Impact Foam The Chest Protector 3.5 Pro is new for 2021, we have added adjustable shoulder guards to t ...

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[Hattori-Hanzo]

Nice one, thanks Andronin

 

[Mikehorti]

I have the Leatt Aiflex Stealth, great fit, breaths well and has proven to protect on impact. I prefer to have individual elbow pads rather than integrated due to better range of movement. Really rate the fit of Leatt gear in general
leatt

 

[Hattori-Hanzo]

Quick update,

After much deliberation I went with the Alpinestars bionic tech v3 review.
There are no reviews online that I could find so took a chance, it seemed to tick all the boxes.

I had the chance to try it at a bike park and am pretty pleased with it so far.

I'm 6 foot, 37" chest and around 11 stone. I went with a medium. the base layer fits well in the shoulders and arms although the velcro straps on the lower arms could do with being a little tighter, that should be an easy fix with a little bit of stick on velcro so I can tighten them more but it's not a big problem as I didn't feel like the elbow pads moved at all during the day.

Initially I felt the base layer came up a bit short on torso length. for my height the sizing chart puts me on a large but the chest size increases to 40-42". I was concerned the base layer was going to be to baggy so went with the medium.
In the end I lowered the kidney strap and that felt fine all day under my jersey.

The base layer is relatively light with the only weight coming from the shoulder and elbow pads.
the material is light and very breathable. It was comfortable enough on the hour drive to the park, a days riding and then the drive home, I knew it was there but I never once thought this is unbearably uncomfortable.

Considering its level 2 on all armour it doesn't feel heavy, I quickly got used to it and I didn't find the added weight a bother at all. I did notice my arms bump into the chest protector on full turns but nothing to cause any concerns.

The chest and back armour is easy to adjust and put on and take off. the quick release buckles and magnetic shoulder catch make that so.
Again the added weight is well distributed and soon forgotten about.

The base layer is easy to get on, after a full day and with a sweaty body it's maybe not the easiest to remove but I think that would be the same for any tight fitting suit, the front zip definitely helps though.

It got up to 22°C at mid day and while stood still chatting it did feel hot but not uncomfortably. However as soon as I started riding I could feel the air getting through the armour and suit cooling me down.

Again for the level of protection it does a great job of getting air flow through to the body. This was with the base layer under a jersey and the chest and back protector over the top.
I do admit that I'm generally a cold person but I could see how in the peak of summer it could be too hot, but there is always going to be a trade off.
One of the reasons I went with this armour is that on very hot days I could remove the base layer and just run with the chest and back protector and lighter elbow pads.

Thankfully I didn't fully test the armour but I'm confident it would stop scuffs and bruises and hopefully anything worse.

In summery, It feels heavy in the hand but light in use. High level of protection and adjustment. good airflow considering it's a full chest, back and kidney protector with a base layer. I found it comfortable for all day riding.

I need to get out and test it some more but on this first outing I'm thinking I made the right purchase.

 

[Hattori-Hanzo]

For reference here's a few photos of the inside of the armour.


Plenty of ventilation holes on the front

Helpful magnetic buckle to remove the chest protector easily.

Centre portion of the chest plate has the holes unobstructed for better airflow, I think this is an improvement over the previous version of the armour.

 

[whitymon]

So after more weeks with it, how would you rate it, still okay? Did you use it more, longer, through really pedaling, through hills and DH?

I am really wondering about this model, for enduro/dh, have the Leatt Airflex but looking for more protection it seems great but at the same time bulkier.

I am totally unsure about the use of the kidney belt, to me it would be a real source of sweat I suppose. I might want to remove it and I am unaware of the side protection if they would just impair movement in jump etc.

I guess it depends also on your body, I am a little shorter but a bit bulkier and unfortunately cannot try it, where I live this is just not a possibility.

 

[Hattori-Hanzo]

I've been out with it several times now and can say I'm still very pleased with the purchase.

I've not had the chance to give it a thorough test on longer pedal days yet.
However, I have used it every time I've gone to my local pedal up bike park where I average around 20 miles and can say I've worn it all day and find it comfortable.

I don't really notice the weight at all, and I personally don't find it impinges movement.
I'll add I'm no pro, so if you're getting big air and doing tricks your experience may differ.

I've had no issues with the kidney armour, it does hug the body and needs to be tight to hold the chest and back protector in place, but I don't find it uncomfortable or restrictive. This isn't to say I can't feel the armours there, I'm wearing two large pieces of hardshell plastic, but it does a good job of hiding it.

I have found the kidney strap to be uncomfortable, it moves around a lot when peddling, it's easily removed though as it just attaches with Velcro at the back of the base layer.
Like I mentioned before I went with a medium and find the torso length a little short, however it fits well on the chest and arms.
Another negative is the base layer isn't the easiest thing to wash.

Lastly for heat I have no issues so far, though I should caveat that by saying it's pretty cold at the moment and I'm always cold!

For reference, last weekend I wore a thermal long sleeve base layer, a t-shirt, the armour base layer, a jersey, the hardshell armour and then a waterproof jacket over the top. It was around 0 degrees when I set off and got to around 5 degrees at midday when I took my waterproof jacket off and did a run. After the run I put the jacket straight back on as I was cold

Obviously this is going to be totally personal, but I think they've done a great job in making the armour as breathable as possible.

I have no doubts it will be hot in peak summer, but there is always the option to ditch the base layer and just run with the hardshell.

So a couple of negatives from my short use, but I'm still super happy with it, and after seeing a nasty crash last weekend including a call to 999 I won't be riding without it.

 

[irie]

@Hattori-Hanzo - Very interesting hearing about what the Alpinestars bionic tech v3 is like in both warm and cold weather. Thanks for the write ups, appreciated.

 

[whitymon]

Thxs.

FWIW, I also asked directly some question to them and here is what they said

Thanks for reaching out.
we confirm that he BIONIC PRO PROTECTION JACKET - LONG SLEEVE could be suitable for mountain biking Bionic Tech V3 Protection Jacket
however the model we usually suggest for cycling world is the following one Bionic Pro Protection Jacket - Long Sleeve that is a bit more lightweight.

 

[Hattori-Hanzo]

The Bionic pro protection jacket you've linked to looks to be the same as the original Bionic action jacket

Bionic Action Jacket | Alpinestars

Incorporating new, innovative outer shell grid technology that is extremely lightweight and ventilated, the Bionic Action Jacket is ideal for the physical demands of motocross. With CE certified protection and an engineered ergonomic design this versatile jacket is constructed from a durable...

www.alpinestars.com

Which has been superseded by the Bionic action V2

2023 Bionic Action V2 Protection Jacket | Alpinestars

An ultra-lightweight CE and UKCA certified protection jacket offering excellent upper body protection against impacts. This protector features an all-new Cell Technology chest protector for optimum ventilation, while its divided construction ensures quick and easy donning. The super-ventilated...

www.alpinestars.com

I did look into both armours but disregarded them in the end. The V2 gets average reviews, with most saying the original jacket was better. The original jacket has a CE level 2 chest rating, whereas the V2 drops to a level 1.
Both have level 1 back, elbow and shoulder ratings.

The Bionic tech v3 has CE level 2 rating for everything, if this matters to you, and according to Alpinestars is the lightest full level 2 jacket in it's class.

I can't find weight values for both jackets, but I doubt there would be a huge amount of difference between the V2 and tech v3.

Another thing to point out is a lot of reviews say having a 2 piece armour can feel less restrictive as the chest and back protectors can move independently of the base layer. I can't testify to this as I've not tried a 1 piece armour however I can say I personally find the v3 comfortable, well as comfortable as it can be having chest, back, elbow, and shoulder pads on

I was out with mine again today at the bike park on a mix of blue, red and black trails, 18 miles and it didn't get above freezing.
One thing I will add, my elbows were a little sore by the end of the day. There is not much foam padding between the d30 elbow pads and base layer, so they can rub after a while. Nothing major and perhaps if I didn't have such pointy elbows it wouldn't be an issue

 

[whitymon]

Okay! Currently I have a similar protection the leatt airflex, really like the alpine but not V2 and as you said this is what I am looking for.

2 crash on the airflex was okay but my shoulder was still in pain after 2 weeks, I add the honeycomb structure of the similar 3do printed on my skin.
Honestly I am not sure a V2 would have avoid the pain from impact but knowing it happens - I crash too much - lead me to want more protection over there.

btw, I was wondering if having a motocross protection would protect like the ones from mtb. Like if the foam/material would act as intended on low speed compared to motocross expected velocity.

 

[Hattori-Hanzo]

Is this the Leatt amour you currently have?

leatt

LIGHTWEIGHT SLIM AND SUPER VENTED The AirFlex Body Protector is aproduct and concept that comes in 2 pieces.The firstis azip up compression sockwith softimpact ...

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If so, I'm not sure if you'd see much benefit going to the Tech v3. It offers a little more flank protection and ups to level 2 hard shell, but I'd imagine they are both very similar in fit and feel and the Leatt gear is held in high regard.

In reality for MTB use, I'm not sure how much more protection level 2 has over level 1.
If you crash hard you're going to get hurt even with armour, but it should hopefully lessen the effect and multiple injuries.

If the reasoning for considering the Tech v3 is for the hard shell, the Alpinestars A 10 V2 maybe worth looking into also.
It's cheaper than the Tech v3, has the same flank/kidney protection and arguably better shoulder protection.
You could possibly wear it over your Leatt base layer too.

A-10 V2 Full Chest Protector

The A-10 V2 Full Chest Protector features Level 2 CE and UKCA Certified Polyhedron Hybrid Technology chest and back protectors and Level 2 Polyhedron Technology shoulder protectors offering unsurpassed levels of ventilation. This protector is ultra-lightweight and offers superior upper body...

www.alpinestars.com

Again, I don't know if it would offer any real benefit over your Leatt, unless it's got to the stage of needing replacement.

 

[whitymon]

Yes, I have exactly this one, and it is very breathable.

Honestly It is pretty hard to know if level 2 would occurs a benefit as we do not ride as fast as in motor bike that is true.

I also thought about the a-10 or something like that to get hard shell on shoulders. But I do not think it could go over the shoulder pad of my leatt so I would need to remove it and keeping it only for elbow seems odd. I also have at disposal dedicated elbow pad too.

As you said maybe there is little to gain here, maybe at our speed level 2 would act as level 1 without any benefits and should wait to wear out my airflex before buying something new.

Hard to find real evidence.

 

[Mikerb]

It is a mistake to think body armour will protect you from injury.............virtually any format of soft or hardshell or both will only mitigate injury. It is worth considering what any of the armour options actually aim to do in terms of protection. Soft armour using products like D30 and various other manufacture specific versions, are designed to remain flexible until impacted; they then harden with the intention of spreading the impact across that pad. Those pads can however only work in that way if they are backed with a solid part of the body....ie a bone structure joint. Very few armour jackets provide much rib protection simply because the rib cage is not rigid enough. So shoulders, hips spine/neck, are the key areas of protection. Hard shell if used in conjunction with a D30 or similar backing can achieve some additional protection by helping to spread the impact across a wider pad area and prevent penetration by stone/rocks etc. You pay the penalty of additional bulk and less flexibity are the downsides.
The most important areas to protect are head/face ( full face helmet), neck and spine. So for body armour the quality of the spine protection is the most important selection criterea.

 

[whitymon]

I do not think it would ever void an injury and I am only looking for mitigation.

Younger I did not care, today meh...

But then does this leatt would suffice for enduro/dh or should I go for more?

 

[stumpydumpy]

about the effect of neckbraces:

at they increase the risk of colour bone breaks

A bit late perhaps, but:
I do wear a Leatt Neckbrace. Actually mostly/only for moto-enduro.
And yes, it increases the risk for other injuries.
I started the use after I once nearly broke my neck (C2-C3). After that, wearing the neck-brace I drove myself half through a momumental oak-tree. The kevlar of my helmet was fairly broken en parts of the oak-tree stuck out of my helmet, but my neck was not damages. Only thing was that the forces went through the brace and broke my shoulder. (I still think I was lucky.)
So: Neckbraces are at best for speed-projects and thereby for the offs in foreward direction.
When needed, its wurth it.
You're better of not needing it.

stay save

 

[NorthernDust]

Along with knee and elbow pads

Flank Core | MTB Body Protection | Raceface

If you're going to send it, protecting your body in case things go sideways is a must. The Flank Core under your jersey helps protect your spine and shoulders with certified D3O™ foam and custom foam chest piece to lessen the impact of a major bail.

www.raceface.com

 

[Jasong911]

iXS Trigger Upper Body Protection

 

[Mike O]

The Bionic pro protection jacket you've linked to looks to be the same as the original Bionic action jacket

Bionic Action Jacket | Alpinestars

Incorporating new, innovative outer shell grid technology that is extremely lightweight and ventilated, the Bionic Action Jacket is ideal for the physical demands of motocross. With CE certified protection and an engineered ergonomic design this versatile jacket is constructed from a durable...

www.alpinestars.com

Which has been superseded by the Bionic action V2

2023 Bionic Action V2 Protection Jacket | Alpinestars

An ultra-lightweight CE and UKCA certified protection jacket offering excellent upper body protection against impacts. This protector features an all-new Cell Technology chest protector for optimum ventilation, while its divided construction ensures quick and easy donning. The super-ventilated...

www.alpinestars.com

I did look into both armours but disregarded them in the end. The V2 gets average reviews, with most saying the original jacket was better. The original jacket has a CE level 2 chest rating, whereas the V2 drops to a level 1.
Both have level 1 back, elbow and shoulder ratings.

The Bionic tech v3 has CE level 2 rating for everything, if this matters to you, and according to Alpinestars is the lightest full level 2 jacket in it's class.

I can't find weight values for both jackets, but I doubt there would be a huge amount of difference between the V2 and tech v3.

Another thing to point out is a lot of reviews say having a 2 piece armour can feel less restrictive as the chest and back protectors can move independently of the base layer. I can't testify to this as I've not tried a 1 piece armour however I can say I personally find the v3 comfortable, well as comfortable as it can be having chest, back, elbow, and shoulder pads on

I was out with mine again today at the bike park on a mix of blue, red and black trails, 18 miles and it didn't get above freezing.
One thing I will add, my elbows were a little sore by the end of the day. There is not much foam padding between the d30 elbow pads and base layer, so they can rub after a while. Nothing major and perhaps if I didn't have such pointy elbows it wouldn't be an issue





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I've very much appreciated the research and documentation of your purchase. As a result I've decided to try the Bionic Tech V3. Of course all my wind and rain gear is sized for thin elbow pads and no armor.

It looks like your is roomy enough; particularly in the arms. Might I ask who makes it and what "model" it is?

Thanks again!