Another Serious Lake District MTB Crash today - Think about the consequences to emergency services attending during covid!

[Nicho]

Mountain biker flown to hospital after Grizedale Forest crash

By Savannah Nicholson @SavNJourno Reporter

AIRLIFTED: A man was taken to hospital after crashing his bike Picture: Coniston Mountain Rescue Team





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A MOUNTAIN biker was taken to Furness General Hospital after sustaining head and neck injuries after crashing.
Coniston Mountain Rescue Team (CMRT) were called to the incident at Grizedale Forest on Friday afternoon.
Team members assisted North West Ambulance Service to load the man onto an air ambulance.
A CMRT spokesman said: “North West Ambulance Service paramedics had reached the casualty on foot, but needed our help for extraction to Helimed 75 from Manchester, which had managed to land on the hill top.

“We loaded the casualty, already on the NWAS scoop stretcher, onto our heavier stretcher, and took him securely in our converted Land Rover ambulance up to the helicopter. He was then flown to Furness General for treatment.”
Twelve volunteers were involved in the rescue, which lasted just over two hours.

 

[Jimbo Vills]

Just hope the guys ok!

Can’t be arsed to get drawn into the rest of it. Totally not relevant.

speedy recovery positive vibes to the dude

 

[EebStrider]

Ride within your limits. That’s all.

 

[jerry]

Ride within your limits. That’s all.

How do you find these then?

 

[EebStrider]

How do you find these then?

I haven’t, yet!

 

[JoeBlow]

Ride within your limits. That’s all.

What does that mean? Some times when I have fallen off it has been on very benign ground and just down to a momentary lack of concentration. Indeed it could be argued that that is exactly when and why accidents happen. I've climbed for many years and found this to be true. When you are stoked up, and concentrating on rock that you know is difficult you tend to be more focused and in control. 3 years ago I fell and broke my ankle on the warm up route i.e. well within my limits. Accidents can happen any time anywhere that's why they are called accidents.

Al

 

[Jorel]

Ride within your limits means absolutely nothing but a phrase that concerned parents say to their offspring in hope that they won't get hurt.
If the child would obey that it would certainly be an adult with no experience at all.
Most outdoor sports are always dangerous.
Except chess at a picnic... that's safe, I think ?

 

[Zimmerframe]

Except chess at a picnic... that's safe, I think ?

Until you get a splinter. Or food poisoning. Stung by a group of angry wasps sent insane by the black and white checker board pattern . Savaged limb from limb by a pack of hungry poodles. Your portable chair collapses. A sudden monster hail storm kills you and all your fellow pick nickers. In a moment of deep concentration you reach for your mini mars bar and end up swallowing a knight and chocking to death. Never discount the dangers of outside chess !

 

[Jorel]

Until you get a splinter. Or food poisoning. Stung by a group of angry wasps sent insane by the black and white checker board pattern . Savaged limb from limb by a pack of hungry poodles. Your portable chair collapses. A sudden monster hail storm kills you and all your fellow pick nickers. In a moment of deep concentration you reach for your mini mars bar and end up swallowing a knight and chocking to death. Never discount the dangers of outside chess !

That's why you should stay within your limits ?

 

[Ripping g]

Are they doing there job surely it wasnt a plan crash ?

 

[paul-g]

Are they doing there job surely it wasnt a plan crash ?

got bike yet bud?

 

[Ripping g]

got bike yet bud?

No pal stickin wi levo ??

 

[paul-g]

No pal stickin wi levo ??

wot you cancelled it or still waiting

 

[paul-g]

hope it wasn`t Hodge,,,,,,cos if it was boys and girls we`ve
bolloxed it for the "Easter Sunday Picture Feature Film"
or
if it wasn`t get well soon buddy

 

[EebStrider]

What does that mean? Some times when I have fallen off it has been on very benign ground and just down to a momentary lack of concentration. Indeed it could be argued that that is exactly when and why accidents happen. I've climbed for many years and found this to be true. When you are stoked up, and concentrating on rock that you know is difficult you tend to be more focused and in control. 3 years ago I fell and broke my ankle on the warm up route i.e. well within my limits. Accidents can happen any time anywhere that's why they are called accidents.

Al

Good point. I’m rubbish, and know I’m rubbish so ride like an old lady. Yes, accidents can happen at any time, but I make sure I don’t get cocky and always tell myself that I’m rubbish while I’m riding which keeps me grounded.

I still fall off occasionally, but normally at slow speeds. I’ve no interest in impressing strangers by trying to ride beyond my abilities.

 

[Ripping g]

I use that famous saying
“ IF IN DOUBT FLAT OUT “ if you dont crash your not trying ?

 

[Zimmerframe]

I use that famous saying
“ IF IN DOUBT FLAT OUT “ if you dont crash your not trying ?

In the world of the mobile phone .... "if you don't crash, you're not typing......"

 

[The Hodge]

Good point. I’m rubbish, and know I’m rubbish so ride like an old lady. Yes, accidents can happen at any time, but I make sure I don’t get cocky and always tell myself that I’m rubbish while I’m riding which keeps me grounded.

I still fall off occasionally, but normally at slow speeds. I’ve no interest in impressing strangers by trying to ride beyond my abilities.

...Reading this a couple of points ..
Telling yourself you are " rubbish " doesn't exactly breed confidence to try and improve ..and if you normally fall off at slow speeds try riding a little faster..being too cautious on sections that demand that you carry some speed can be just as dangerous ..both to yourself and others ..

 

[EebStrider]

...Reading this a couple of points ..
Telling yourself you are " rubbish " doesn't exactly breed confidence to try and improve ..and if you normally fall off at slow speeds try riding a little faster..being too cautious on sections that demand that you carry some speed can be just as dangerous ..both to yourself and others ..

My post was tongue in cheek, if I genuinely thought I was rubbish, I’d be a nervous wreck on the bike. I just keep myself grounded and ride in my comfort zone.

 

[The Hodge]

That seems a bit boring with no room to improve..(and even us oldies have the ability to improve) but if you are happy that way then fair enough. What I don't understand though are your comments about riders " showing off ..or trying to impress " ..
I view that in a different light.. as in riders who have taken time to hone their skills and are prepared to take a bit of a risk ..for their own enjoyment.
Whenever I see someone who is better than myself ( which happens often) ..yeah I'm a bit jealous that I'm probably never going to get to that level but I admire their skill and the time & effort it must have taken to get there.

 

[Drsooty]

What does that mean? Some times when I have fallen off it has been on very benign ground and just down to a momentary lack of concentration. Indeed it could be argued that that is exactly when and why accidents happen. I've climbed for many years and found this to be true. When you are stoked up, and concentrating on rock that you know is difficult you tend to be more focused and in control. 3 years ago I fell and broke my ankle on the warm up route i.e. well within my limits. Accidents can happen any time anywhere that's why they are called accidents.

Al

Totally agree.

The victim blaming from the OP in this thread is ridiculous.

 

[Jorel]

What I don't understand though are your comments about riders " showing off ..or trying to impress " ..

I had a similar discussion couple of days ago.
If someone rides better than you, is it bragging then, if he shows that to you, or simply riding inside his skill level?
Is it morally allowed to wheelie if your friend isn't able to?
We came to the conclusion that it makes absolutely no sense to judge the behavior of others because you don't know what skill level they have and what shoes they wear (metaphorically spoken).
Best would be to learn from others if they're better or if you're not willing to learn then keep quiet.

 

[Zimmerframe]

The victim blaming from the OP in this thread is ridiculous.

I think saying the OP is victim blaming is equally ridiculous ..

@Nicho only copied the text from an existing story/article and titled it to remind us to still be aware.

 

[Zimmerframe]

Whenever I see someone who is better than myself ( which happens often)

Lucky b4stard. I'm yet to ride with a single person I don't consider to be more skilful than myself.

 

[stiv674]

Lucky b4stard. I'm yet to ride with a single person I don't consider to be more skilful than myself.

We should meet up for a ride to find out who falls off the most ?

 

[JoeBlow]

I'm not rubbish simply not very good. I consider myself fortunate to be doing this at all at the ripe old age of 73 but I have improved and hope that I will continue to improve. At my age though one does need to be realistic, which is fine, I have no desire to be jumping huge gaps. I'm content riding blue and red trails I just want to ride them a little better (quicker ?)each time.

Al

 

[steve_sordy]

I do several free guided rides per year and I have a sort of similar problem. I feel a level of responsibility for the safety of the individuals of the group. It is impossible for me to judge just by looking how skilful a rider may be. Should I judge nobody and just tank in at my top speed on obstacles and trails I know well and hope that everyone can deal with it? Then discover that someone couldn't and now the whole group has to deal with an injured rider at worst or a broken bike at best? Or do I assume that everyone may be caught out and then have to keep interrupting the ride to explain what is just around the corner? Hmm..

What I actually try to do is make it clear before the ride what is ahead without unnecessarily scaring anyone off (I'm hoping to scare some riders off). Then I take it it steady at first. I stop before anything that has given me a problem in the last few years to say what's coming. What I consider to be the tricky ones I stop and let everyone have a good look. Sometimes I'm just not feeling it and I don't do one of the trickiest ones myself, even though I've done it before! So how can I expose other riders to this level of difficulty (as I perceive it) without giving them the heads up? OK that could be viewed as me making a judgement about the capabilities of others. But I'm not; what I am doing is providing a sensible filter and letting them make their own decision. I hope that is how it is seen.

There's a chance I may be seen as an old woman, worrying about nothing! However, I'd hate for someone laid on the floor to be screaming "why didn't you warn me!"

Tough! This approach works for me and I'm sticking to it.

 

[Zimmerframe]

There's a chance I may be seen as an old woman

I'm sure we'd at least see you as a Cougar, rather than just an older woman !

 

[Jimbo Vills]

From years of motorbike riding in groups with obviously potentially far greater consequences.

One very transferable saying comes to mind :

Ride your own ride

 

[Norange]

I do several free guided rides per year and I have a sort of similar problem. I feel a level of responsibility for the safety of the individuals of the group. It is impossible for me to judge just by looking how skilful a rider may be. Should I judge nobody and just tank in at my top speed on obstacles and trails I know well and hope that everyone can deal with it? Then discover that someone couldn't and now the whole group has to deal with an injured rider at worst or a broken bike at best? Or do I assume that everyone may be caught out and then have to keep interrupting the ride to explain what is just around the corner? Hmm..

What I actually try to do is make it clear before the ride what is ahead without unnecessarily scaring anyone off (I'm hoping to scare some riders off). Then I take it it steady at first. I stop before anything that has given me a problem in the last few years to say what's coming. What I consider to be the tricky ones I stop and let everyone have a good look. Sometimes I'm just not feeling it and I don't do one of the trickiest ones myself, even though I've done it before! So how can I expose other riders to this level of difficulty (as I perceive it) without giving them the heads up? OK that could be viewed as me making a judgement about the capabilities of others. But I'm not; what I am doing is providing a sensible filter and letting them make their own decision. I hope that is how it is seen.

There's a chance I may be seen as an old woman, worrying about nothing! However, I'd hate for someone laid on the floor to be screaming "why didn't you warn me!"

Tough! This approach works for me and I'm sticking to it.

Sounds like a sensible approach to me. Pretty early on i reckon people would work out for themselves where they fit in skill wise. But frequent stops are a part of open group rides IME. Have appreciated heads up info in the past, and been on the receiving end of a blind drop beyond my courage level.