5-10's or Something different. For the impact friendly rider.

[Gary]

Motocross kits is what most guys that I meet on the trails are wearing.

Sorry. No. All I meant by "motocross boot effect" was the inflexibility and lack of feel/fine control a motocross boot would leave you with. Pads/armour. FF helmets, thick cordura pants etc. have been around in DH "cycling" for almost 3 decades and nowadays are pretty sorted and fairly unrestricive.

As per foot position, I use to place the ball if the foot on top of the pedal axle on uphill or slow tech where feedback from terrain is needed.

On flat pedals?
That's not really where you want your foot to be on a flat pedal at all.

For fast DH I put the foot more forward and centered in the pedal to spread the load of impacts and thats when a fully stiff outsole performs better.

We're gonna just have to agree to disagree on this one. You definitely want support but I personally can't think of anything much worse than a fully stiff sole when riding rough terrain on a flat pedal.

Out of interest, How old are you? how much do/did you ride? and when did you start needing the extra protection from your contact points?

 

[B1rdie]

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Maybe my bad english is not being correct. By ball of the foot I mean the meaty part jus behind the toes, thats the same place where clipless pedals get positioned. This is more or less a few milimiters how I place my foot.

Now, when DHing and jumping like Sam does on the picture above, I place my foot just like him also.

 

[Gary]

Nah... your English is good.

This is Ball of your foot ^^
It's where roadies are advised to run their cleats. . (and there's data to suggest it's not actually any more eficient even for road riding) and makes a lot less sense for mtb
Most DH racers actually ride clips (probably only 2 or 3 riders in the top 80 ride flats)... and a good portion of DH racers actually run their cleats further back (similar to Sam's foot position)

One of the biggest reasons I dislike sticky soles is because I like to alter foot position a lot while riding. in 5:10s this means lifting off the pedal slightly and re-positioning to change foot position, on less grippy soles it's just a slight unweight and a foot slide.

 

[Zimmerframe]

Nah... your English is good.

This is Ball of your foot ^^
It's where roadies are advised to run their cleats. . (and there's data to suggest it's not actually any more eficient even for road riding) and makes a lot less sense for mtb
Most DH racers actually ride clips (probably only 2 or 3 riders in the top 80 ride flats)... and a good portion of DH racers actually run their cleats further back (similar to Sam's foot position)

One of the biggest reasons I dislike sticky soles is because I like to alter foot position a lot while riding. in 5:10s this means lifting off the pedal slightly and re-positioning to change foot position, on less grippy soles it's just a slight unweight and a foot slide.

Ok, so if were going to be sensible and talk about foot position ..

For some reason I started out with the pedal pretty much centred under the ball of my foot. I lost my footing a lot on anything gnarly (a possible combination of bad foot position, no experience, no ability and I was pretty sure that's what I did 30 years ago on a road bike). I would also suffer extreme foot discomfort on extended gnarly downhills (keep in mind I get better value for money on these than most because I'm going slower, so you get every bump, no free easy air time and you're doing it longer). I've slowly been trying to change my foot position, from various video's it appears a lot of riders seem to have the pedal axle almost inline with the front of the shin ? Is this correct in today's thinking of "correct foot position" ? (at least until tomorrow's correct foot position comes along)

 

[Beezerk]

Anyone tried Etnies Marana Mid Crank?
I've finally found a pair of mid/high tops which are available in normal persons shoe size ?.
Never heard of them before though.

 

[Zimmerframe]

UK stock seems low .. chain reaction out of stock, wiggle has some in the blue orange. Evans has them super cheap, but only a couple of sizes left .. Google (shopping) brings up quite a few though.

Etnies Marana Mid Crank | CYCLING SHOES | Evans Cycles

Brandon Semenuk wears them (Etnies), or is sponsored .. they look quiet nice ..

 

[Beezerk]

I found some on the Etnies site and somewhere called Stiff MTB or summink.

 

[Zimmerframe]

I found some on the Etnies site and somewhere called Stiff MTB or summink.

They're about €114 on the etnies site though and €65 at evans ...

or €80 here, but they seem to have all the sizes ..

Etnies Marana Mid Crank Bleu acheter et offres sur Xtremeinn

 

[B1rdie]

Ok, so if were going to be sensible and talk about foot position ..

For some reason I started out with the pedal pretty much centred under the ball of my foot. I lost my footing a lot on anything gnarly (a possible combination of bad foot position, no experience, no ability and I was pretty sure that's what I did 30 years ago on a road bike). I would also suffer extreme foot discomfort on extended gnarly downhills (keep in mind I get better value for money on these than most because I'm going slower, so you get every bump, no free easy air time and you're doing it longer). I've slowly been trying to change my foot position, from various video's it appears a lot of riders seem to have the pedal axle almost inline with the front of the shin ? Is this correct in today's thinking of "correct foot position" ? (at least until tomorrow's correct foot position comes along)

For me, given my choice for thicker rubber and stiff soles, foot position varies like:
Ball of foot on top of axle for maximum traction at the wheel and sensibility on short tech stretches
BOF just in front of axle for maximum punch on sprint like situation
Foot just centered on pedal surface for maximum traction at the sole, for coasting
Back of the foot at center of pedal for pre-crashing when bail out is not a choice.

 

[Flatslide]

Went back to the drawing board ....

The 5-10 impact high's are difficult to find, seem bulky, at 650g + each are pretty heavy and I just don't have confidence in the build quality.

The Shimano XM-9 isn't a true flat sole, so I think I'll be compromising.

Ultimately, there's not a great selection of mid's/high's with availability.

So starting from scratch with no pre-determined thoughts. Something robust with good protection. Good build quality which will last. Availability.

And it's looking like the Northwave Clan's.

Pinkbike review :

Review: Northwave Clan Flat Pedal Shoes - Pinkbike

Long term review (and a comparison 3/4 way through with the 5-10 Impacts).


Chain reaction and chain reaction reviews :

Northwave Clan MTB Shoes 2019 | Chain Reaction Cycles

I still wear my original Sam Hill World Cup 5 10s from 2011. The sole started to peel away a couple of years ago, by which time they'd been relegated to general knocking about shoes. I glued them up with Ados F2. My 4 year old black Sam Hill 5.10s have been holding up ok, there's a split in the crease at the front of the tongue, otherwise solid as. My Impact Pros are a year old, get used most days and are proving a robust, roomy shoe. I wear a 47 and the toe box in the Pro is a slightly looser fit than the Sam Hill.
I've never had a sole peel away, although I've known the lower price versions to suffer from this. My world cup's peeled at the toe bumper, the main sole is still fine apart from almost being worn through.

 

[Gary]

I'm going slower, so you get every bump

It's not because you're going slower. it's because you're dragging your brake(s?).
Going faster is rougher on feet/hands. but not as rough as brake dragging.

Is this correct in today's thinking of "correct foot position" ?

There is no "correct" position.
think for yourself.
try not to overthink. I know.. I know... wishful thinking but at least try to keep the thoughts in your head for a little while rather than LIVEtyping them here

 

[Beezerk]

They're about €114 on the etnies site though and €65 at evans ...

or €80 here, but they seem to have all the sizes ..

Etnies Marana Mid Crank Bleu acheter et offres sur Xtremeinn

Yeah I saw that shop, but then I read the reviews...

 

[Zimmerframe]

Yeah I saw that shop, but then I read the reviews...

Put me off a bit, plus they were quoting 2 weeks delivery ... The stiff mtb looked ok, but was €15 euro delivery, so made them uncompetitive .

I did read that they came in slightly small on measuring and it was a good idea to size up 1 ... so that meant the 10's from Evans would fit ... so bought them

 

[Gary]

BTW Fader, Metal Mulisha or Kingpins all offer good (upper) support and have a supportive but nicely flexible sole.
Haven't tried the Semenuk's. or read reviews. They look to be a pretty well made/thought out (durable?) mtb shoe but from the description sounds like they'd have too stiff/sticky a sole for my liking. (although from the sound of it not as sticky as 5:10s). Possibly a great middle ground?

 

[Zimmerframe]

BTW Fader, Metal Mulisha or Kingpins all offer good (upper) support and have a supportive but nicely flexible sole.
Haven't tried the Semenuk's. or read reviews. They look to be a pretty well made/thought out (durable?) mtb shoe but from the description sounds like they'd have too stiff/sticky a sole for my liking. (although from the sound of it not as sticky as 5:10s). Possibly a great middle ground?

That was my thinking .. ... (though without trying to overthink it or under think it) ... Durable, reasonable protection/support, not too clunky. (and not fashion priced). I think if you greased the soles, you'd be ok ?

I did see the lighter built Jamesons for as low as €25 somewhere, might have been amazon.fr, though they seem to average about €60.

And you're correct about riding the brakes causing the "hard" riding. I'd stopped doing it, but now I've gone all winter sissy, I'm doing it again ..

 

[DrStupid]

I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't know, but 5/10s are still a great shoe!
And look great IMHO..
My last pair lasted 10 years.. most of them downhilling..
Got a new pair a couple of years ago, wouldn't get cought without them. Grip the flats like glue!
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Where on earth did you find a pair? Been looking for hours and cant find a store that will take my money! Lol.

 

[Vegas36]

Adidas Terrex Lite, there a hiking shoe with the same type sole as the 510's
Had mine now for a year with 1000 miles on them still in great shape. And the soles are not super grippy.

 

[Vegas36]

Adidas Terrex Lite, there a hiking shoe with the same type sole as the 510's
Had mine now for a year with 1000 miles on them still in great shape. And the soles are not super grippy.

Correction. Adidas Outdoor Trail Cross

 

[Pyr0]

I think I'm just going to use some Adidas Terrex AX3 boots

 

[Gary]

I think if you greased the soles, you'd be ok ?

I live in Scotland! WTF do you my soles are covered in most of the year.

 

[Gary]

And you're correct about riding the brakes causing the "hard" riding. I'd stopped doing it, but now I've gone all winter sissy, I'm doing it again ..

soft ground conditions naturally slow a bike down so you're already going slower than in dry conditions
Braking REDUCES grip massively
Don't be a sissy.
you know it makes sense

 

[tacoma22]

I have the specialized 2FO’s and love the stiffness and grip. I recently had my foot (toe area) strike something on the side of the trail very hard. It left quite the mark on the shoe. Luckily I stayed on the bike somehow.

I was almost thrown over the bars and my knee even bashed up into the handle bars. If I had not been wearing the 2FO’s I would have had some broken toes or foot. It was that hard of an impact.

Never had a problem with grip on the chesters or one up flat pedals. Will absolutely buy the 2FO’s again.

 

[DrStupid]

Rc= ride concepts (for the uninitiated). It appears they are in stock! Lots of choices.

Men's Powerline

 

[Gary]

boak

 

[Zimmerframe]

"BOKE" ... Seems to be an ancient Scottish way to say "I love it" or "I love you" ....


boke
/bəʊk/
SCOTTISH
verb
verb: boak

1. vomit.
   "he's just boked all over me!"
   

noun
noun: boak

1. an instance or episode of vomiting.

 

[DrStupid]

Well that's what I expect from the kids, Love and puke.

 

[Gary]

That doesn't sound dodgy at all.

 

[p3eps]

Adidas have some 5:10’s on sale at the moment, and you can use the discount code VRBY-4KHR-ETHO-KDU46 for an extra 20% off.
I’ve just bought 3 pairs of Freerider EPS shoes for £172, when they should have been £119 each.
I read the sizing was a bit hit or miss - so I’ll be returning the 2 pairs that don’t fit!! Free postage and returns, so the pair that do fit will only cost £57.

 

[Beezerk]

My Etsies arrived yesterday, they're a tiny bit snug as I have quite wide feet and they are very stiff so hopefully they will loosen up after a few rides. They look great though ?

 

[deksawyer]

I bought a pair of Ion Rascal Select boots in November, fitted some Shimano cleat covers and they've turned out great. Nice sole stiffness and plenty of grip on my stamp 2's.

And don't worry about the Sh1tty colour - once you're knee deep in mud, it doesn't really matter....