2020 Trek Rail??

[Larsey]

 

[Growler]

Hope they spill the details soon!

 

[Larsey]

Sounds like it will be 160mm/150mm with new Bosch

 

[R120]

In the last pic it looks like they have come up with a good mounting soloution for the Kiox display

 

[Tribey]

What's the difference between a Rail and a Powerfly please??

 

[R120]

The Rail is an as yet unannounced 2020 model with the new Bosch motor that was launched last week.

These are spy shots and Trek has as yet made no formal press release about their next year line up.

 

[Tribey]

Ah, I see, thanks.
My LBS is getting both models in on the 8th August. I'm sure reviews will reveal all before that date.
That'll give me more time to save up

 

[sportbiker2000]

Nice! I'm wondering what the 2019 Trek Powerfly 9.7 Carbon I just bought in April would be worth on trade in for this newer model. If there are any dealers near or in NJ that could chime in on this, I'm interested.

 

[Doomanic]

I'm not seeing anything there to tempt anyone who isn't a Trek fanboi and I say that as a Trek owner.

 

[Adam]

Heard about an announcement/launch date of around the middle of July.

 

[Neverbeentomoab]

Guy at shop I went to yesterday said the new Bosch motor will only be on treks “well into the £5000 range” and below that they’ll use the current motor.

 

[Dirtnvert]

Hopefully kona comes out with a new bike with a gen 4 Bosch. Should be more reasonably priced than trek. They can back to the short stays and have more standover than trek as well. Good on trek for putting the display in a sensible location though

 

[33red]

Any info rims? tires? weight?

 

[MattyB]

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That turquoise and luminous yellow colour scheme has to be one of the most hideous ever conceived...

 

[Weegi]

Hopefully kona comes out with a new bike with a gen 4 Bosch. Should be more reasonably priced than trek. They can back to the short stays and have more standover than trek as well. Good on trek for putting the display in a sensible location though

Kona have moved to Shimano for 2020 and I’m afraid from what I can tell, the price has gone up..

 

[Gary]

Looks like a Session

 

[Dirtnvert]

Kona have moved to Shimano for 2020 and I’m afraid from what I can tell, the price has gone up..

I'm ok with shimano but was hoping they may have something more affordable. That's too bad, their bikes fit me so well

 

[33red]

I'm ok with shimano but was hoping they may have something more affordable. That's too bad, their bikes fit me so well

Trek and Specialized are often overpriced. With Shimano you might try Norco or with Yamaha you might look at Haibike. It looks like Yamaha has the best range. They were first with electric motor for bikes.

 

[Weegi]

I'm ok with shimano but was hoping they may have something more affordable. That's too bad, their bikes fit me so well

Kona have dropped it down to a single 650b model this year, 160 travel .. price wise , in U.K. its going to be around £1000+ more.. around £5700 I believe from talking to a couple of dealers

 

[Dirtnvert]

Kona have dropped it down to a single 650b model this year, 160 travel .. price wise , in U.K. its going to be around £1000+ more.. around £5700 I believe from talking to a couple of dealers

Damn, that is a bit of a jump. Thanks for that. Must be a full redesign, carbon internal battery etc

 

[Tribey]

Harry Hall cycles have this ad and full details of the 2020 Rails

TREK Rail 9.8 2020 :: £6250.00 :: Electric Bikes :: Off Road ::

 

[33red]

An unknowned motor, a crazy price, not for me.

 

[MattyB]

A new motor, but hardly unknown - Bosch have been the amongst the leaders in ebike motors for a long time now, and whilst the previous gen product wasn’t perfect (excess drag over 25kph, a bit big and heavy compared to younger competitors) it was well liked by owners and at least as reliable as the likes of Brose and Yamaha. Given how many urban ebikes are Bosch powered it’s probably fair to say they are the number one selling motor brand in the world.

Sure, the new CX could have an issue, but that’s true of any new product; key is what the manufacturer does in that instance, and I would back Bosch to address it far more than I would the Brose/Spec partnership. Their answer to a chronically unreliable product just seems to be jack up the purchase price, replace the motors annually under warranty and dine out on the “excellent customer service”... .

 

[Dirtnvert]

Anyone see a geo chart for these yet?

 

[R120]

A new motor, but hardly unknown - Bosch have been the amongst the leaders in evoke motors for a long time now, and whilst the previous gem product wasn’t perfect (excess drag over 25kph, a bit big and heavy compared to younger competitors) it was well liked by owners and at lest as reliable as the likes of Brose and Yamaha. Indeed given how many urban ebikes are Bosch powered it’s probably fair to say they are the number one selling motor brand in the world.

Sure, the new CX could have an issue, but that’s true of any new product; key is what the manufacturer does in that instance, and I would back Bosch to address it far more than I would the Brose/Spec partnership (their answer to a chronically unreliable product just seems to be jack up the purchase price, replace the motors annually under warranty and dine out on the “excellent customer service”... ).

Just to add to your points, the last generation Bosch motor, when it was launched, was a game changing product - they where the first company to make a motor that made EMTB's viable as we know them today, not only with the physical technology, but also with the software to make the motors not feel like an On/Off switch when riding - time caught up with it, and other brands entered the market, but no other company has the experience in the sector like Bosch, and by all resorts the new motor is a cracking unit.

 

[Cinnamon]

Perhaps Not that good...

The new Bosch does have a bit of a noise problem – not the typical noise of the motor humming under full load, but the coarse-toothed clunk of the chainring freewheel that produces a metallic sound when it engages and sounds almost like a clattering chain on rough downhills. As a result, eMTBs with a 2020 Bosch CX will be louder than most Shimano or Brose bikes, which sucks, because we all know how good a quiet bike feels!

Regrettably, there’s no way to adapt the motor characteristics to a specific bike concept either.

Goodbye tuning: new anti-tuning software detects motor tuning and manipulation via sensors while you’re riding which then automatically switches the motor into limp home mode

 

[R120]

Reports on the noise seem to be differing - have you ridden one? Most reports reiterate what you say, but defer on how loud or much of an issue it is

 

[Tribey]

Pipo, I assumed by your detailed description of the motor noise that you’ve ridden a 2020 Bosch motor, but as you don’t go on to describe the eMTB mode or latest de-coupling at 25kmh, I think you are just repeating a snippet from a comment on a YouTube video.

I think I’ll wait for the full tests, which must surely appear soon, as my dealer is expecting the bikes on 8th August, and Rob has gone quiet, so he might be at some launches about now?

The anti-tuning is not something that Bosch chose to do, it is European Type Approval law, so every manufacturer who intends selling in Europe, should be positively engineering against tuning. Whether after Brexit we are still signed up to this, I don’t know.

I’m looking forward to the proper reviews, when Pipo, you may be right.

 

[Cinnamon]

New Bosch Performance Line CX 2020 Motor in Test | E-MOUNTAINBIKE Magazine

 

[Doomanic]

Regrettably, there’s no way to adapt the motor characteristics to a specific bike concept either.

What does this actually mean to you?