Kenevo Gen1 1 week old kenevo smashed
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Stompweaver
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Unfortunately they went bust at the start of this year.
Rider weight limits for all Specialized models are available via a PDF Download on the Specialized website.
Orangie
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Plastic skid plate? Now there’s a great idea. Trek rail is aluminum. Bashed the hell out of it and all is good
nB2000
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Mate
sorry to hear about the Kenevo damage. Metal engine guard needed for sure. You did get hold of an S5 though they are pretty rare. I‘ve been searching.
If you want a like new Fox X2 I can help you. Seems like air would be more adjustable for your weight - and it is Gwins shock so proper hardcore kit.
What shock length is the Kenevo eye to eye. Mines 222mm. Only 1 ride since a full service and rebuild At Sprung Suspension with new Kashima body and the aircan end casting.It’s only done trail riding.
pm me?
neil
sorry to hear about the Kenevo damage. Metal engine guard needed for sure. You did get hold of an S5 though they are pretty rare. I‘ve been searching.
If you want a like new Fox X2 I can help you. Seems like air would be more adjustable for your weight - and it is Gwins shock so proper hardcore kit.
What shock length is the Kenevo eye to eye. Mines 222mm. Only 1 ride since a full service and rebuild At Sprung Suspension with new Kashima body and the aircan end casting.It’s only done trail riding.
pm me?
neil
RocratRacing
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Hey Krisj, sorry to hear of your mishap .
I’m 5’12” and 90kgs without kit , when I purchased my S3 the first thing I noticed was case and pedal strikes . I’m amazed you are running such a low pressure in the rear , I usually run 28psi and an insert .
i yanked the Rockshit Boxxer off and put on a Fox38 and what a difference it made , then put on a 2021 Fox Float X2 on the rear, I’m still playing with settings , but it has transformed the bike . I also built some 29er wheels for the bike and have yet to case strike , the bike is now amazing and I drop DH lines all day long with my mates
The kinematics on the Kenevo is way to linear for a coil shock and you will blow through travel all the time , air makes a big difference and is way more progressive.
Another issue is the Boxxer comes with an RC damper cartridge and many on the Kenevos where faulty , Specialized know of this issue and usually replace it with an RC2 damper cartridge which pretty much turns the fork into a Boxxer Ultimate .
If your LBS doesn’t want to look at the bike call Specialized and let them instruct a store to help you . There is no reason why any store wouldn’t service you , what if you’ve just moved into the area ? After all Specialized has a worldwide warranty program .
Keep us posted on your actions mate
I’m 5’12” and 90kgs without kit , when I purchased my S3 the first thing I noticed was case and pedal strikes . I’m amazed you are running such a low pressure in the rear , I usually run 28psi and an insert .
i yanked the Rockshit Boxxer off and put on a Fox38 and what a difference it made , then put on a 2021 Fox Float X2 on the rear, I’m still playing with settings , but it has transformed the bike . I also built some 29er wheels for the bike and have yet to case strike , the bike is now amazing and I drop DH lines all day long with my mates
The kinematics on the Kenevo is way to linear for a coil shock and you will blow through travel all the time , air makes a big difference and is way more progressive.
Another issue is the Boxxer comes with an RC damper cartridge and many on the Kenevos where faulty , Specialized know of this issue and usually replace it with an RC2 damper cartridge which pretty much turns the fork into a Boxxer Ultimate .
If your LBS doesn’t want to look at the bike call Specialized and let them instruct a store to help you . There is no reason why any store wouldn’t service you , what if you’ve just moved into the area ? After all Specialized has a worldwide warranty program .
Keep us posted on your actions mate
RocratRacing
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NB2000 , so
the 2020 X2 fits perfect , the 2021 X2 needs a minute frame mod with a 2mm field surface to clear the fatter air can .
Sorry mate , to small , Kenevo uses a 230mm x 62.5mm , but a 230mm x 65mm works fine .
the 2020 X2 fits perfect , the 2021 X2 needs a minute frame mod with a 2mm field surface to clear the fatter air can .
Stompweaver
Active member
230mm eye to eye and 62.5mm stroke dude so it's not going fit unfortunately.
Thinking about switching to a Fox 38 for my 2020 expert. What are the biggest differences over the Boxxer?
MrBrownstone
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RocratRacing
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Everything mate . Quite a bit stiffer to start , so wheel placement in rough stuff is much better . Small bump compliance is unbelievable on this fork , and the ramp to full travel is very smooth . The big advantage is obviously much tighter cornering on a bike that is already long as you don’t have the frame bumpers of a triple clamp fork banging into the frame . I tune suspension with Motion Instruments equipment and these forks can really be dialed in .
nB2000
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Isn’t the BB rather high with 29” wheels? How is the rear wheel / frame clearance? Really appreciate BB measurement (static) and a pic of rear shell clearance near bb please.
thx
RocratRacing
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Haha , actually 5’11” , it autocorrected to 5’12” . If you have a 38 you will understand how stiff the fork is , it doesn’t do the fore and aft flexing like the Boxxer does believe me , the Boxxer under braking flexed like a XC fork ? not my idea of good engineering, it may be those 35mm stantions . Some folks enjoy them , I do not .
RocratRacing
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Will do it tomorrow mate .
The BB needs a little more ground clearance as it is rather low to start then with the coil shock out back and a linear kinematic on the rear end , it blows through travel real easy , this is why they strike so much , with the 29” wheels it’s more like the Levo and is amazingly stable at high speed on a jump line . With the X2 out back , the rear runs more progressive so runs higher in the travel through the full 180mm of travel , I don’t BB strike anymore and I’m running the flip chip on high setting . This bike is way more stable on hard descents then my Santa Cruz Megatower for me .
Aww.... naw.. Shit luck Kris
Fort Bill is relentless. I must've done 1000 runs there over the years and even with DH bikes I'd rarely come back without a mechanical or destroyed parts. (lots of wheels, a ton of tyres,a few cranks, chainrings, chainguides,shocks/forks and a ton of rear mechs). I wouldn't ride an Eeb there at all. But I still have the luxury of owning a couple of (older) DH bikes.
Hope you get the motor sorted.
if it's any consolation your pic where the bike's bottomed out is the last triple into the arena isn't it? DH bikes,set up properly also bottom out pretty harshly if you don't make the downslope clean there.
Regarding tyre pressures. I've also never run less than 30psi with 2.5 dual ply DH casing tyres at the Fort (a fair bit lighter than you)
If you can't get a suitable spring, One bonus of swapping out to an air shock is you'll gain a ton of progression. I'd go that route if I were you.
plenty WC DH bikes run air shocks
Fort Bill is relentless. I must've done 1000 runs there over the years and even with DH bikes I'd rarely come back without a mechanical or destroyed parts. (lots of wheels, a ton of tyres,a few cranks, chainrings, chainguides,shocks/forks and a ton of rear mechs). I wouldn't ride an Eeb there at all. But I still have the luxury of owning a couple of (older) DH bikes.
Hope you get the motor sorted.
if it's any consolation your pic where the bike's bottomed out is the last triple into the arena isn't it? DH bikes,set up properly also bottom out pretty harshly if you don't make the downslope clean there.
Regarding tyre pressures. I've also never run less than 30psi with 2.5 dual ply DH casing tyres at the Fort (a fair bit lighter than you)
If you can't get a suitable spring, One bonus of swapping out to an air shock is you'll gain a ton of progression. I'd go that route if I were you.
plenty WC DH bikes run air shocks
RocratRacing
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nB
Excuse the dirt in the pics , I rode from 8.45 to 5.30 yesterday and didn’t have time to give the bike a clean . The tire clearance is no different to my mates Levo . I’m not sure , but I think the chain stays and seat stays are the same on the Kenevo and Levo , if not , there is very little difference in dimensions.
nB2000 , here it is mate , BB height to center of axle 352mm With 2.5 DH casing Maxxis tires on a 30mm rim , my Santa Cruz V10 29 is 356mm .
Excuse the dirt in the pics , I rode from 8.45 to 5.30 yesterday and didn’t have time to give the bike a clean . The tire clearance is no different to my mates Levo . I’m not sure , but I think the chain stays and seat stays are the same on the Kenevo and Levo , if not , there is very little difference in dimensions.
Fair hit that I reckon. Heres a pick of bash plate I have on levo expert from Berkshire cycles . You probably would have bent that is well .
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Hi Gary I’ve got the suspension sorted now J tech suspension did me a spring calc and sorted me a spring out , went to away this weekend to BPW and it performed sweet on everything I threw at it. The front forks are nearly there just a little tweaking now. The damage to the motor casing I’ve still got to sort. Gorilla tape and a piece of tyre is holding up for now ?
The last drops into the finish at FW are brutal like you say ??
Glad you got it sorted mate. James is excellent with suspension (and bike mechanics in general) . I remember him being super helpful back in my DH racing days when he was a mechanic for Pearse.
What weight spring did you end up with?
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650 lb matey
FlowDough
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The single crown 38 is "quite a bit stiffer" than the double crown Boxxer? I know the Boxxer is a noodle compared to a 40 but I would still think the extra crown would give it more stiffness than a 38. Any studies to verify this or just personal opinion?
Depends how you define stiffness, and whether you are referring to lateral, for and aft movement etc - a dual crown fork will always be more direct in terms of feel and feedback due to the design, but a larger stanchion fork will usually result in less deflection/twist between the stanchions., but again a lot of this is dependent on the connection at the crown, and axle system too. On my Lyric Ultimate 170mm riding it with or without torque caps makes a noticeable difference IMO to the suspension action simply because the connection at the axle is more solid with less movement due to the caps, which is especially noticeable under hard braking.
With a 38 or a Zeb I would say what you are getting is the suspension performing better because the bigger stanchions enable the suspension to move smoother due to less deflection between the stanchions.
I have a 2021 Manitou circus on my DJ bike, that is only a 32mm stanchion, but has a 20mm bolt though axle, and its a very stiff fork as a result.
I am far from a suspension expert and only base the above from my own riding very amateur experience and the feel I get from riding different forks!
With a 38 or a Zeb I would say what you are getting is the suspension performing better because the bigger stanchions enable the suspension to move smoother due to less deflection between the stanchions.
I have a 2021 Manitou circus on my DJ bike, that is only a 32mm stanchion, but has a 20mm bolt though axle, and its a very stiff fork as a result.
I am far from a suspension expert and only base the above from my own riding very amateur experience and the feel I get from riding different forks!
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Cheers for the post dude very informative and the links too ??
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Cheer for the informative post dude what’s the symptoms of the faulty damper ?
RocratRacing
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You get a sucky sound on compression and rebound and the compression dial doesn’t do much to change the damping . My bike did this from new and Spesh sent it to RockShox for warranty, they sent it back as an Ultimate with RC 2 damper.
Wic_ed1
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I'm trying to get my suspension sorted too, I'm 108-110kg with gear and ride pretty aggressively. I was running 180psi, two volume spacers 25% sag. I found this quite harsh on the small choppy stuff but I'd still blow through the stroke and bottom it hard on the big hits. I tested 4 spacers and 25% sag over the weekend, it was plusher but still blowing through on the big hits. I've just fitted 6 spacers and will try that out and give you an update.
I'm only two weeks in on the bike and have already bent a crank arm from a 5 foot huck to flat, surprisingly the casing didn't hit the ground like yours or the ground was too soft to do any noticeable damage. I did damage the bottom like you in the separate incident over the weekend doing a run on last years national DH track, I launched some roots and landed on the knuckle of the next set so I'm not surprised by the outcome of that one. I've ordered two different types of guards to try, the Airpro fork which is CNC machined and a carbon one by RockGaurd.
For the rear I'm hoping my LBS will be able to sort out a progressive spring to suit my weight. If there is something worth looking at I'll let you know.
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Wic_ed1
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I’ve given up on looking for a suitable spring and ordered a fox float X2. I like the fact it has low and high speed adjustments to deal with the small choppy stuff and bigger hits
Dude, i weigh 75kg and i run 155psi front fork and 26psi rear tyre on an S3.
No wonder you broke it.
Also did you keep the 600lb spring and then do a 4 foot drop?
Your fork is totally bottomed and with that PSI im sure it smashed it in to the crown. The rear tyre is pancaked. The rear coil is 100% compressed and all the force is now going in to places that can cause permanent damage to the frame and suspension..
I dont think you can make the motor hit the floor even with 100% compression of the suspension so this means you probably seriously bent something which is not supposed to bend.
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