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Yes. I collect my new Orange Surge this week. Most components will be getting treated with Carbon Collective Platinum Wheels. Carbon Collective | Platinum Wheels Ceramic Coating My car is protected with CC products.

Just polish scratches out first. The coatings are so good these days they can cope with a lot. You can even apply with a snow foam lance as a top up these days too (though I’d take care to cover brakes etc!).

Ask your son’s advice. I used to show modified cars, there’s a lot of good products out there that can equally be used on a bike. A good ceramic product can protect a clean bike for many months and it will shrug off mud as it is highly hydrophobic.

Oh, I see your point entirely and don’t disagree. It’s difficult, if you run a site and have advertising on it that you don’t fully control, to choose the ads. They’re based on the cookies you have. Sadly that’s why the modern web sucks.

Just Patreon, all that nonsense goes away. Also ensures we have nice things like this forum.

From another thread: “You can buy direct from BMW. Part number 80922453902. £72 Inc VAT”

Hot Off The Press News & New Stuff | Leisure Lakes Bikes Might be worth contacting these guys about whether they plan more this year. If you look around the big bike shops they do have them every now and then.

I wouldn’t be tempted to let hateful articles like this cast other countryside users as the problem. There’s room for us all if we are considerate. The problem is junk newspapers like The Times et al.

The reason not to use washing up detergent is that it strips any wax or finish protection off the paint. This then allows mud to stick more. I’ll be protecting mine all over with a ceramic protector (on all parts something like Carbon Collective products). It works well on my car - including...

Well there you go. ? Just ordinary car polish like Autoglym SRP will restore and to an extent protect. You can then Shack Wrap/Invisiframe. Then you can wash your 4K bike with a muddy yard brush.

You folks and your dislike of welds. I like a nice weld. Especially when there’s little cost in weight to the over engineering. ;) The Surge and the Charger both have these. Can’t wait to get out on my Surge, the demo 6E I tried was incredible.

The car detailers I know would ask if you’d used the two bucket method or not. You can polish that out actually but then I’d be protecting with something like Shack Wrap (doing my new Orange Surge next week - Shack Wrap – Protect Your Ride) or Invisiframe.

By that logic walkers shouldn’t carry a mobile phone.

I made sure I went for a good local LBS (Blazing Saddles, Hebden Bridge) with e-bike experience. I had a Levo Comp Carbon on order but having ridden an Orange I switched to the Surge which is being built up right now.

More nonsense journalism from the daily rag that is The Times. Opinion from Singletrack: Opinion: Insult and Battery - The Times Has A Pop At E-Bikes

In case you were wondering. The Surge and the Charger that was announced yesterday are effectively the same bike with different fork/shock configuration. (Yes, Orange confirmed this with me). Say hello to the all new Orange Charger eMTB - Singletrack Charged With video review: First ride...

To be fair, see my subsequent comments in this thread. I addressed this. Btw. You have more faith in Google than I do ;)

I suspected as much Rob. I wonder if Fazua et al are more like Brose?

There are way too many variables going on in the mix here. I can’t see how anyone can draw any conclusions. To compare you need lab conditions.

The real test is in how companies can make sure the software is regularly developed. The secret sauce for the Brose in the Levo 2019 is really Specialized’s software stack. I have no idea if Shimano or Bosch are open to OEMs developing their own fork of the control software.