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  1. Bearing Man

    Anyone ever replaced a CX Gen 2 for the new Gen 4

    I still think that if you can keep it dry, Bosch Gen 2 is one of the best motors built to date. It's built like a tractor gearbox inside and uses mostly tried and tested vehicle components in the electronics. The PCB is mounted at the top of the motor, so it's not sitting in the water if any...
  2. Bearing Man

    Need help deciding on a reliable motor.

    This diagram is from the Instinct Powerplay Carbon. The bearings fit the same as most ebike motors, where the bearing fits into the machining space for it in the motor housing. Although this protects the the bearing seal to a degree, it does not stop the water traveling along the impute or...
  3. Bearing Man

    Need help deciding on a reliable motor.

    Ish.. We do find that the water comes through the bearing into the motor housing, as it does on the Brose etc. Sadly there's not one seal on the Rocky Mountain, but I do agree with what you're saying. The drive chain area is pretty well shielded, but the bottom bracket bearings are pretty...
  4. Bearing Man

    Need help deciding on a reliable motor.

    I have to agree the Rocky Mountain is a powerful and user serviceable motor, but it too is not sealed. They rely on just the bearing seals as most other motors do.
  5. Bearing Man

    Need help deciding on a reliable motor.

    Although I know a lot about grease, I would not consider myself an expert so can't really comment on this choice.
  6. Bearing Man

    Need help deciding on a reliable motor.

    It's probably not the best stuff in the world! But it's known to work without problems and it's what Bosch recommend.
  7. Bearing Man

    Need help deciding on a reliable motor.

    Half the motors have a re-usable silicon sealing bead. The others usually use an RTV silicone sealant. But as I said earlier, no motor will let water in through the gasket faces, it is always through the bearings.
  8. Bearing Man

    Need help deciding on a reliable motor.

    It depends on what it's made from? Most marine greases are aluminium based and when they come into contact with lithium based bearing grease, it turns it back to oil. This is why many boat trailer wheel bearings fail because people just pump a load of marine grease on top and their normal grease...
  9. Bearing Man

    Need help deciding on a reliable motor.

    99% of all water ingress on all motors is through the bearings, not the gaskets or wiring seals etc. Brose have some issues on their earlier motors with water entering by capillary action along the wiring, but this is mostly cured now.
  10. Bearing Man

    Need help deciding on a reliable motor.

    Your motor should already have these bearing shields fitted and they should be changed from time to time. I would definitely fit a new set going into winter and using the Bosch "tacky" grease, re pack them every 2 to 3 months depending on terrain, cleaning habits and riding conditions.
  11. Bearing Man

    Need help deciding on a reliable motor.

    We have not yet played with a PW-X3 so can't comment on the sealing and parts may not be available for this motor as Yamaha are trying to do the same as the other manufacturers with regards withholding the information required to source the parts and not releasing the latest parts.
  12. Bearing Man

    Need help deciding on a reliable motor.

    Just one drip in the wrong place will do the job if you're unlucky, but that's the same with most motors. Yamaha, for example, are one of the few who do put a liberal protection coating on their PCB's but it does not really help. Yamaha's PCB's are also at the bottom of the motor, so water...
  13. Bearing Man

    Need help deciding on a reliable motor.

    You can remove and coat the board, but the big problem with the Gen 4 is that Bosch have used the motor body as a large heat sink, this puts the electronics close enough to the motor casing to sort out when a drop of water gets to this area (see image below). Unfortunately, once a little water...
  14. Bearing Man

    Need help deciding on a reliable motor.

    We thought the Gen 4 was going to be a fantastic motor, but now they are out of warranty we are being swamped with them! There is a few difficult technical issue to get over with calibration etc. But because Bosch put the PCB at the bottom of the motor, any significant amount of water will kill...
  15. Bearing Man

    Need help deciding on a reliable motor.

    Yeah, we looked into doing this because a lot of older bikes, the parts and motors are becoming obsolete. Unfortunately, you would also have to change the battery, battery holder, switch and looms, etc. Its just not economically viable.
  16. Bearing Man

    Need help deciding on a reliable motor.

    Bafang have done this, you can buy all the internal parts for your Bafang motor and they are slowly gaining traction in the mainstream market.
  17. Bearing Man

    Need help deciding on a reliable motor.

    As I said, this is not a question I can answer! It's not because I don't want to answer it, it's because it is far more complicated than it sounds and ever changing. I will do a video or talk on this sometime this year. I feel that both the motor and battery issues are extremely important to...
  18. Bearing Man

    Need help deciding on a reliable motor.

    I knew I should not have written that statement when I wrote it! These questions sound so easy when you ask them, but I have struggled for two days to answer this so far! This is also one question I am trying to get the media and motor manufacturers to ask me, or just speak with me, because...
  19. Bearing Man

    Need help deciding on a reliable motor.

    As it said in my post, this is data that we have painstakingly kept and gathered over the last 5 years of fixing motors. It's not publicly available yet and has never been posted anywhere. But we will speak with #h3rrm later in the year and see if we can put something together.
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