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Yeah. Hence why I am leaning towards a wild. I want to like the canyon, and honestly might have gone with it if they had a Bosch motor but I think it's at the bottom of the short list right now

Yeah I get it. The orbeas rise comes to mind in that regard but I still think something akin to the wild is better for me.

Giant/Yamaha was off my list due to various reports of motors overheating. Test rode the e trance earlier this year but for bike packing, I need to have a bit more trust in the motor

Thanks. After the last Scott suggestion, did some searching an non of the local Scott distributors have any Scott bikes in stock. Le sigh.

Agreed. Unfortunately the only bike in my area from my list available for test is the rail. Everyone is just out of stock locally

Fair. What bike did you go with?

And I think this is where the Commencials probably make some sense. Personally, I do not need to blaze downhill but assitance going uphill will be nice. I am looking to have fun vs trying to be the quickest. But I suppose a good question to ask is about how long does it take to charge your...

Well worst case, the Orbea is compatible with an external battery pack. But the fun being, I need the exercise :). Going uphill I'll def take advantage of the power modes but I presume I'll be in eco mode going down hill and maybe eco - a mid mode for bike packing.

Bosch is my ideal candidate for a motor. I'm sure the Shimano is fine but I am not a fan of the eps lack of repairability. Seems wasteful. I also really like their new led controller in the center of the bike. That was what was drawing me to Giant/Yamaha as well but heard too many things...

I have not. I do know I want a full suspension but I'll give them a look.

Unless I am riding full power I'd think I can get more than 3.5 hours out of the M10. I could be wrong.

Greetings all, hoping to get some advice. In the US and attempting to decide on an eMTB. I believe an all mountain style bike falls into my needs. I plan on doing trail riding, some bike park stuff, and some minor bike packing with my Astro photography gear. I am trying to focus on Bosch...