Levo Gen 4 Levo Gen 4 Rumours and some facts...

Moderator · Friday at 9:44 AM

roccobarocco said:
Since this is a heavily subsidised forum by various manufacturers, I can only advice to post relevant info on an different forum.

Actually, the forum costs are covered by adverts, subscriptions and patreon. Manufacturers have ZERO influence on the forum.

Images are not allowed because there is an active embargo in place which all forums/publications and distributors should be adhering to.

Many of the specifications have already been repeatedly leaked here and elsewhere so it's pointless deleting information here which is available all over the internet.

Also to note, the moderators act entirely INDEPENDENTLY only trying to follow the forum rules/guidelines and keep everything friendly and peaceful

notaninfluencer · Friday at 10:16 AM

Moderator said:
Actually, the forum costs are covered by adverts, subscriptions and patreon. Manufacturers have ZERO influence on the forum.

Images are not allowed because there is an active embargo in place which all forums/publications and distributors should be adhering to.

Many of the specifications have already been repeatedly leaked here and elsewhere so it's pointless deleting information here which is available all over the internet.

Also to note, the moderators act entirely INDEPENDENTLY only trying to follow the forum rules/guidelines and keep everything friendly and peaceful

its not a free speech forum then, as the embargo is signed by an individual, not the users who clearly and freely want to be able to post pictures they have taken with their cameras. I would make sure that this point is written into the t an c of teh forum and you clearly state it is not a place for free speech.

Bogdan_CH · Friday at 10:17 AM

Biano44 said:
The motor and battery are lighter and not by a small amount.
There are key weight savings made throughout the Amflow to make it lighter. The tyres (as you say) crank arms, stem, bars, brakes and the wheels are pretty light too.
Guess that’s why it’s classed as trail bike and not an Enduro style bike.

400 grams is alot on 24 kgs bike? That's less than 2%...

Add the fact that Bosch battery is removable so I find it realistically negligible. Curious where spesh will land compared to others.

Let's not hide it, Amflow is lighter because of tyres and lighter parts and especially the tyres.

Anyways, for anyone who hasn't saw Brian Cahil latest embt shootout, I highly recommend it. Maybe they could be wrong in some places but one thing it's for sure, it's not biased!!! As long as well 95% of their insights are over how bikes ride which matters the most.

Deadpool2e · Friday at 10:20 AM

All i want to know is...

1, will sworks be more powerful
2, will it have 38s
3, will it have Mavens
4,Axs t type?
5,what colours will the sworks come in?

If anyone knows the answers for sure please tell me

Doomanic · Friday at 10:27 AM

notaninfluencer said:
its not a free speech forum then

This is a privately owned forum, not a publicly owned forum and as such you are here at the whim of the owner who can ban you at any time, for any (or even no) reason. If you don't like it, don't use it.

notaninfluencer said:
want to be able to post pictures they have taken with their cameras

Do you have any pictures you took with your own camera? I strongly suspect that anyone who has pics has signed an embargo agreement directly with Spesh...

notaninfluencer · Friday at 10:42 AM

Bogdan_CH said:
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400 grams is alot on 24 kgs bike? That's less than 2%...

Add the fact that Bosch battery is removable so I find it realistically negligible. Curious where spesh will land compared to others.

Let's not hide it, Amflow is lighter because of tyres and lighter parts and especially the tyres.

Anyways, for anyone who hasn't saw Brian Cahil latest embt shootout, I highly recommend it. Maybe they could be wrong in some places but one thing it's for sure, it's not biased!!! As long as well 95% of their insights are over how bikes ride which matters the most.

MBR had to put decent tyres on it, added a kilo instantly.

notaninfluencer · Friday at 10:44 AM

Doomanic said:
This is a privately owned forum, not a publicly owned forum and as such you are here at the whim of the owner who can ban you at any time, for any (or even no) reason. If you don't like it, don't use it.

Do you have any pictures you took with your own camera? I strongly suspect that anyone who has pics has signed an embargo agreement directly with Spesh...

I know its private, thats what i was saying. Its not a free speech forum, no private service is.

Polar · Friday at 10:51 AM

Will any of the new Levo have the new SRAM Eagle 70 or 90 transmission?

DylanJM · Friday at 10:54 AM

I imagine the comp spec with probably get the 90.

Madden126 · Friday at 10:55 AM

Polar said:
Will any of the new Levo have the new SRAM Eagle 70 or 90 transmission?

Maybe on the lower spec/allow models, if they follow the same trend as the stumpy they won't even have internal cable routing ...

Ferlic · Friday at 11:06 AM

Deadpool2e said:
All i want to know is...

1, will sworks be more powerful
2, will it have 38s
3, will it have Mavens
4,Axs t type?
5,what colours will the sworks come in?

If anyone knows the answers for sure please tell me

4x YES
Red, Blue/Green, Brown GCL/Gold

AussieRuss · Friday at 11:08 AM

Bogdan_CH said:
Lets be honest, ebike racing is less than 5% of total sales. And I'm generous here.

What minds me as well, 95% of the AMF reviewers start with raw power, 120 nm crap etc. Very few mention the under average range or the bike ride. Of course here until we see anything official it's only leaked numbers to be talked about but I just feel emtbs are going after a different goal.

1. Make them cheaper
2. Make them more reliable
3. Make them lighter
4. Improve the range if possible with the ones above
5. Ride quality is paramount.

Is it only me that looks for something like this in ebikes or I'm not alone? Very few brands try to follow these guidelines and I believe it's not them going sideways is the market demands.

Well wait a few weeks & you will see that 4 out of 5 of your wishes get ticks from you

Ride 2d@y · Friday at 11:49 AM

Biano44 said:
Power is nothing without control.

And power and control is nothing if it is ugly

Phil M · Friday at 12:29 PM

Ferlic said:
4x YES
Red, Blue/Green, Brown GCL/Gold

Full 29 option?

Bogdan_CH · Friday at 12:43 PM

AussieRuss said:
Well wait a few weeks & you will see that 4 out of 5 of your wishes get ticks from you

Already found something but was a bit of a hassle and even though I ended at under 7000 euros it's a crazy amount of money. Hope it will last and prove it's worth as I haven't been able to ride it properly yet.

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Biano44 · Friday at 12:47 PM

Bogdan_CH said:
400 grams is alot on 24 kgs bike? That's less than 2%...

Your graph/image literally states the battery/combo are 7% lighter.

A £6k Amflow with heavier tyres and stronger stem is 21kg.

The new Levo has a challenge to retain the title of "Best Bike" as it has so many targets to achieve.

Lighter than a G3, maybe lighter than the AMF it is a trail bike
More powerful than a G3, equal at least to the AMF
Smaller profile, certainly smaller than a G3
Cheaper......unlikely; seems to achieve the above will be circa £14k

I would guess the Levo G4 has Whyte, Trek and various other brands nailed but like it or loathe it, the AMF is a real fly in the ointment, especially starting at £6k

MonsterMX · Friday at 1:03 PM

21kg with shitty dps shock and 36fork , Sam's modified AMF has 22,6kg, and thats the weight of 2023 S works levo +-

He also said:

smalltablehop · Friday at 1:20 PM

Phil M said:
Full 29 option?

No. Not enough place.

Geniusbiker · Friday at 1:20 PM

Honestly, I really don´t understand these embargo things. For me it´s very clear: it will look like the Levo SL and Stumpjumper 15 without the sidearm design, it will have the genie shock, Specialized surely will react with a new motor that is similar strong, if not even stronger than the engines of the competitors, it will have less (compared to the Levo Gen. 3) and absolutely competitve weight. And I´m quite sure that it will have something really special that makes the difference to the other brands and competitors. By the way: I expect all these things also for the next Levo SL.

Druster · Friday at 2:20 PM

Honest request please from anyone who has the picture of the new levo - can you send to me in private? I would like to put a reservation as early as now and deciding whether to get this or the new Bullit. Thank you in advance.

Bogdan_CH · Friday at 2:21 PM

Biano44 said:
Your graph/image literally states the battery/combo are 7% lighter.

I was reffering to the percentege off the mass diference between the motors reported to the total mass of the bike, 400 grams out of 23-24 kilograms is 1,6 - 1,7 percent . Would you feel that weight being low and centered on the bike while ridding ? I honestly doubt it. Light is good but this is not a game changer.

MonsterMX said:
21kg with shitty dps shock and 36fork , Sam's modified AMF has 22,6kg, and thats the weight of 2023 S works levo +-

I'm using what I've seen as a refference, the Mondraker I've posted above is 23.8 kg (my pedals are a tad heavier) with a heavy coil and decent parts, except the carbon wheels which are 1900 grams anyway so nothing crazy. Considering this bike on the upper models come with a full cabon build , which is 500 grams we get to a difference of 700 grams. A lighter coil, some lighter cranks , and we are there, close to each other.

20 vs 24 kgs is a difference that many could feel it.

22 vs 23 , I doubt it . Really curious what the Levo brings.

Flo7 · Friday at 2:24 PM

Druster said:
Honest request please from anyone who has the picture of the new levo - can you send to me in private? I would like to put a reservation as early as now and deciding whether to get this or the new Bullit. Thank you in advance.

Looks Like a Levo SL with bigger downtube!
Heavier then a Vala or Levo Gen3

TorAtle · Friday at 2:31 PM

A couple of questions that maybe someone could answer:
* Is the mode controller wireless?
* Is there a new "auto" or adaptive mode?

MTB-WALES · Friday at 2:32 PM

Any ideas on crank length ?

Flo7 · Friday at 2:35 PM

MTB-WALES said:
Any ideas on crank length ?

Pro with alloy 155mm
S works with Carbon 160mm

Geniusbiker · Friday at 2:44 PM

Flo7 said:
Looks Like a Levo SL with bigger downtube!
Heavier then a Vala or Levo Gen3

Heavier than a Levo Gen 3? Sure?

Flo7 · Friday at 2:47 PM

Geniusbiker said:
Heavier than a Levo Gen 3? Sure?

This is from Specialized technical sheet

Flo7 said:
It will be heavier then the gen3!
gen4 with 840wh
Pro s4 23,94kg
S works S4 23,68kg

Booth Kits with Maven, 38 and Mullet!

singletrackminded · Friday at 2:53 PM

details....Hopefully the downtube SWAT is just a compartment accessed within the common side battery door. I am envisioning a simple internal divider/ rib that creates a storage compartment just above the battery, with the battery being positioned as low as possible in the frame dowtube. Not a fan of the frame Swat compartment on the Stumpy (as accessed by the silly water bottle mount lid). Cannot see this working on the Levo if the bottle cage is intended to carry a range extender.

Madden126 · Friday at 3:01 PM

Geniusbiker said:
Heavier than a Levo Gen 3? Sure?

It is naturally heavier, as there’s only so much weight you can shave off the frame it won't compensate these:

Fox 36 vs Fox 38
bigger battery (700 vs 840)
maven brakes even tho they are powerful they are a heavy kit.

Flo7 · Friday at 3:19 PM

Madden126 said:
It is naturally heavier, as there’s only so much weight you can shave off the frame it won't compensate these:

Fox 36 vs Fox 38

bigger battery (700 vs 840)

maven brakes even tho they are powerful they are a heavy kit.

Gen3 Levo expert, pro and S works have 38er!

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