What disappeared?Interesting how quickly it disappeared again, someone losing balls out of fear
Levo Gen 4 Levo Gen 4 Rumours and some facts...
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A cropped pic of the gen 4 S-Works frame
I’d call it turd brown bowling ball but not sure what Spesh would go with
seriously don’t know why Spesh is doing all the S-Works bikes like that right now, they look shite.I’d call it turd brown bowling ball but not sure what Spesh would go with
Seagrave7
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LIke this?I’d call it turd brown bowling ball but not sure what Spesh would go with
I've been riding proper trails since 1983. Starting out on my 1983 Schwinn High Serra..........And I still prefer 32kmh/20mph over 25kmh every day of the week! Plus I live in Arizona where we have actual mountains!!
AussieRuss
New Member
I hope the std new Gen 4 motor puts out a Beastly amount of power. Enough that riders consider it a satanic amount when in the power curve. Not long until we find out. Fingers crossed.
Hoppy
Member
Did it look like one of the colors of the current Levo SL Sworks?I’d call it turd brown bowling ball but not sure what Spesh would go with
Bogdan_CH
Member
I'm just wondering from where did this horse power race started? Please don't give me the AMF... crap as I'm not buying it. Moarrr powaaa is the last thing I would want for an ebike. It's like electric cars, they all list hundreds of horsepower, but on the road they all drive super slow. I'm just wondering if people really want this or it's just because?
AussieRuss
New Member
When the gen 2 came out it had 90nm
Bosch Gen3 had 75nm & Gen4 85nm rumour that Gen 5 may have an update to 100nm
Shimano E8000 70nm & EP8 85nm
Fauza Evation 55nm
Remember that in 2012 the TQ HPR50 ebike motor was 120nm torque
So it doesn't appear a race rather than small jumps in power going up 5nm per generation
AMF has just come in with a first iteration thats at the top end. Everyone else was due at those sort of figures with their new generation bikes anyway.
Look at car engine performance over the years. Only dip is when we put in emission controls through the leaded to unleaded transition decade. but otherwise its just small increments each year.
If you are ebike racing & getting free advertising on winning world rounds which one would you want. 70nm or 100nm
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Bogdan_CH
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Lets be honest, ebike racing is less than 5% of total sales. And I'm generous here.
What minds me as well, 95% of the AMF reviewers start with raw power, 120 nm crap etc. Very few mention the under average range or the bike ride. Of course here until we see anything official it's only leaked numbers to be talked about but I just feel emtbs are going after a different goal.
1. Make them cheaper
2. Make them more reliable
3. Make them lighter
4. Improve the range if possible with the ones above
5. Ride quality is paramount.
Is it only me that looks for something like this in ebikes or I'm not alone? Very few brands try to follow these guidelines and I believe it's not them going sideways is the market demands.
What minds me as well, 95% of the AMF reviewers start with raw power, 120 nm crap etc. Very few mention the under average range or the bike ride. Of course here until we see anything official it's only leaked numbers to be talked about but I just feel emtbs are going after a different goal.
1. Make them cheaper
2. Make them more reliable
3. Make them lighter
4. Improve the range if possible with the ones above
5. Ride quality is paramount.
Is it only me that looks for something like this in ebikes or I'm not alone? Very few brands try to follow these guidelines and I believe it's not them going sideways is the market demands.
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they want mini surrons.....
DirkWisely
Member
I can't say as I've ever seen a quality bike brand criticized for a bike riding poorly. They all know how to make bikes that ride well.
I would contest that the quality of the motor system is going to be the most impactful part of an e-bike. You'll notice the difference between a weak/bad motor and a good/powerful one way more than you'll notice the minor difference in ride quality between a Santa Cruz and a Specialized or whatever.
DirkWisely
Member
I haven't ever felt my Levo needed more power. I do ride it in turbo at all times, so I'm not some kind of muscle power ascetic. What I find exciting about an Avinox or theoretical new Levo motor is being powerful but also light and compact. I wouldn't be disappointed in any new motor with the power of the current Brose but with the size/weight of the Avinox.
the avinox weight saving is in the frame and tyres not the motor and battery, this is a key point that everyone is misunderstanding.
If anyone screen shotted the frame leak send me it and I’ll give you a free s works sticker.
this thread is monitored for sure to make sure no leaks.
Hitorogoshi
Active member
By the Dyson, Apple and Spez police
It was just another shot of an SL...
Rando_12345
Well-known member
Levo SL vs Gen 4
It was very similar, but there was an extra voluptuousness about the gen4
Power is nothing without control.
electricbogaloo
Active member
With emtbs its the opposite: any ebike motor from the big players from the last 5+.years will get you to the trailhead but ride feel going downhill will vary greatly depending on suspension layout/setup, geometry, tires, brakes etc.
Ridgydidge
New Member
I have one and I’m mystified by your comments. It meets your 5 criteria. The ride quality - abundant power impeccably controlled, loaded into a very capable frame - is excellent. If Spesh can exceed this in smile/$ terms, they’ll be knocking it out of the park. I suspect the smiles may be equivalent or better, but the $, meh.
The motor and battery are lighter and not by a small amount.
There are key weight savings made throughout the Amflow to make it lighter. The tyres (as you say) crank arms, stem, bars, brakes and the wheels are pretty light too.
Guess that’s why it’s classed as trail bike and not an Enduro style bike.
roccobarocco
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Since this is a heavily subsidised forum by various manufacturers, I can only advice to post relevant info on an different forum.
Mauve.
Power requirement on a tough climb quickly exceed what the standard "full fat" motors available today (not including DJI Avinox) can output, unless you find a crawling speed acceptable.
As the motors now goes beyond 600 watts, the max assistance in % also need to be increased. DJI chose 8x or 800%.
I find the comparison with cars inaccurate as todays cars have an abundance of torque and power, especially electric cars. Not so on emtbs.
The benchmark is set. 1000 Watts, 120 Nm, 800% assistance, the motor weighs 2.5 kg and as per all the reviews - the motor control is excellent. This is what Spesh is up against. Lets hope the new Levo will not disappoint, it's going to be here for at least 3 years.
As the motors now goes beyond 600 watts, the max assistance in % also need to be increased. DJI chose 8x or 800%.
I find the comparison with cars inaccurate as todays cars have an abundance of torque and power, especially electric cars. Not so on emtbs.
The benchmark is set. 1000 Watts, 120 Nm, 800% assistance, the motor weighs 2.5 kg and as per all the reviews - the motor control is excellent. This is what Spesh is up against. Lets hope the new Levo will not disappoint, it's going to be here for at least 3 years.
