The Official BLEvo Thread

[PaoloBLEvo]

After a few tests I can say that the landscape display is better than the portrait display..
Many user ask to me to implement this, and now I understand why..
The phone is more protected and the "line" of the handler bar looks better...
Here below some screen shot of the new display...
Do you like it?

 

[Neil Reid]

Looking good

 

[Neil Reid]

How long until it’s ready ?

 

[PaoloBLEvo]

Here’s my rides from yesterday... hopefully covering the data you want but if not just let me know Paolo - thanks

Statistical data for my ride Sat, 18 May 2019 11:43:42 BST

Short statistics:
- Elapsed time: 1:10:16
- Miles total: 11.08 mi
- Speed average: 9.5 mph
- Ascent total: +508 ft
- Battery Consumed: 21% (101 Wh)
- Consumption average: 9.12 Wh/mi
- Wh ride: 161Wh
- Wh Biker: 37.3% (60Wh)
- Wh Battery: 62.7% (101Wh)

Statistical data for my ride Sat, 18 May 2019 08:57:32 BST

Short statistics:
- Elapsed time: 1:37:08
- Miles total: 13.27 mi
- Speed average: 8.2 mph
- Ascent total: +1049 ft
- Battery Consumed: 23% (118 Wh)
- Consumption average: 8.89 Wh/mi
- Wh ride: 246Wh
- Wh Biker: 52.0% (128Wh)
- Wh Battery: 48.0% (118Wh)

The autonomy is calculated with the Wh available divided by consumption average.
If you have 500Wh of battery
in the first example you have
- 399Wh available
- Consumption average: 9.12 Wh/mi
- Autonomy 43,75 mi

in the second example you have
- 382Wh available
- Consumption average: 8.89 Wh/mi
- Autonomy 42,97 mi

Is this what you see or the value from BLEvo are different?

 

[PaoloBLEvo]

How long until it’s ready ?

As @Maastricht said, in 1 or 2 weeks.. I fixing and testing others bugs..
The weather is not so good to complete the test faster..
sorry..

 

[Vilt]

Do you like it?


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The map display has more space to show what is beside me than there is space to show what is in front of me. I also do not have to see what is behind me on the map. Also there is a lot of wasted space in the data fields.

Also it does not work well on the quad lock:

But thanks for the hard work! It's good to have active development!

 

[PaoloBLEvo]

The map display has more space to show what is beside me than there is space to show what is in front of me. I also do not have to see what is behind me on the map. Also there is a lot of wasted space in the data fields.

Also it does not work well on the quad lock:

View attachment 13944

But thanks for the hard work! It's good to have active development!

Sorry but where you see the "wasted space in the data fields"? I tried to used the field as better as I can..
If you have better solution, I will try to implement..
But remember that you have a very big screen..

 

[Stumpy]

The autonomy is calculated with the Wh available divided by consumption average.
If you have 500Wh of battery
in the first example you have
- 399Wh available
- Consumption average: 9.12 Wh/mi
- Autonomy 43,75 mi

in the second example you have
- 382Wh available
- Consumption average: 8.89 Wh/mi
- Autonomy 42,97 mi

Is this what you see or the value from BLEvo are different?

Thanks Paolo. I'll check for certain next time I'm out riding but from memory the autonomy was way out.

However, now I understand the way BLEvo calculates autonomy I think the major issue in my case is that I use a range extender battery (which BLEvo would not know about) and therefore I understand why BLEvo cannot possibly compute this accurately.

 

[PaoloBLEvo]

Thanks Paolo. I'll check for certain next time I'm out riding but from memory the autonomy was way out.

However, now I understand the way BLEvo calculates autonomy I think the major issue in my case is that I use a range extender battery (which BLEvo would not know about) and therefore I understand why BLEvo cannot possibly compute this accurately.

Now the iOS version has the handling of battery extender..
I need to check if the autonomy use also the Wh of battery extender...

 

[RobertD]

Hi Paolo. When using the app, below the map view, it is possible to adjust the training biker power, could you add the ability to adjust the cardio training value as well? That will allow me to fine tune the assistance given by the heart monitor more easily. I have only just started using the heart rate system, it is briliant! Thanks for a great app. Robert.

 

[Maastricht]

Hi Paolo. When using the app, below the map view, it is possible to adjust the training biker power, could you add the ability to adjust the cardio training value as well? That will allow me to fine tune the assistance given by the heart monitor more easily. I have only just started using the heart rate system, it is briliant! Thanks for a great app. Robert.

Hi Robert,

Maybe it can be very helpful for you to buy the optional remote. I use it too and while riding you can fine tune the settings by the push buttons. You can also adjust all the functions behind the push buttons so for example, change to map view, on/off smart power, adjust assistance % or leg power, cardio (BPM) etc.

In case you are interested just check the BLEvo manual. It contains the link where to buy and a more deep explanation.

 

[lenny74]

Hi guys I am the proud new owner of a 2019 Levo and am just getting used to the mission control app which seems ok but I am still struggling at what power settings to use in each mode as it came set with but I know I need to change those.

30/100
60/100
100/100

what I need to know is how complex is this app as I know I won't be able to get my head around all the settings so is there an easy start mode do you still need to set your own assistance and power settings or does it have a standard one that is popular.

I am just wondering how much you guys use it as for me I just use the bike and as yet I don't have a phone on the bars but I know this will be a great app but I wonder is it something that you all use with a phone on the bars and is the information and the huge question is do I need it

My wife really misses having her Bosch screen telling her how much range she has left.

sorry for the noob questions but I just don't want something that is too complex to use

Hi Andy

I am in the same position as you with similar questions. I have been using Mission Control for several months and it seems to work....just ok really. I have recently started to fiddle with settings to help with battery life but its not really something I want to spend my time on.

I have been following Blevo and this thread for sometime but as you have stated it just seems to complex for me to be bothering with. I dont use a ride computer etc and I dont need numerous ride stats etc....they bore me..... but no doubt I would like to know I am using the most effective settings for the bike and battery etc and there seems no doubt that Blevo offers the best options in this area by far.

One thing that does worry me is if I start to use Blevo will it over-ride the de-restriction that I currently (may or may not have ) on Mission Control?

I'm happy to give Blevo a try if theres a simple set up and go procedure that will give decent options and also if I can revert back to the original Mission Control settings if I get lost in Blevos never ending stats !!

Any advice on this would be much appreciated.

 

[Maastricht]

Hi Andy

I am in the same position as you with similar questions. I have been using Mission Control for several months and it seems to work....just ok really. I have recently started to fiddle with settings to help with battery life but its not really something I want to spend my time on.

I have been following Blevo and this thread for sometime but as you have stated it just seems to complex for me to be bothering with. I dont use a ride computer etc and I dont need numerous ride stats etc....they bore me..... but no doubt I would like to know I am using the most effective settings for the bike and battery etc and there seems no doubt that Blevo offers the best options in this area by far.

One thing that does worry me is if I start to use Blevo will it over-ride the de-restriction that I currently (may or may not have ) on Mission Control?

I'm happy to give Blevo a try if theres a simple set up and go procedure that will give decent options and also if I can revert back to the original Mission Control settings if I get lost in Blevos never ending stats !!

Any advice on this would be much appreciated.

Hi Andy,

First of all regarding "automatic" derestriction this will not happen! You really need to delibrately make the change and will also get the question of you are sure you want to perform this action. I am not sure which bike you are riding but derestriction is even not possible at all for Levo 2019 FSR which has firmware 2.025 or newer.

Regarding power efficiency, as I understand you don't need all the fancy stats and functions. Most likely you even don't want a phone on the handle bars although it can be very handy for navigation but anyway... I would to advice just to download the app and then just select the Smart Power functions. You can use Smart Power with or without an HR belt. After starting the ride and activating smart power you can just put the phone with display of in your bag. (you need to keep the BLEvo app running on the background for smart power)

The smart power control will let you first pedal around a certain threshold wattage. Around the threshold the motor power increases and you will enjoy proportional assistance. (so mostly you don't need to change to trail or turbo anymore but just ride in eco with proportional support)

Hope this helps...

 

[RobertD]

i Robert,

Maybe it can be very helpful for you to buy the optional remote. I use it too and while riding you can fine tune the settings by the push buttons. You can also adjust all the functions behind the push buttons so for example, change to map view, on/off smart power, adjust assistance % or leg power, cardio (BPM) etc.

Hi Maastricht
I will have a look at the remote, thanks Robert

 

[jonpress]

Hi Andy,

First of all regarding "automatic" derestriction this will not happen! You really need to delibrately make the change and will also get the question of you are sure you want to perform this action. I am not sure which bike you are riding but derestriction is even not possible at all for Levo 2019 FSR which has firmware 2.025 or newer.

Regarding power efficiency, as I understand you don't need all the fancy stats and functions. Most likely you even don't want a phone on the handle bars although it can be very handy for navigation but anyway... I would to advice just to download the app and then just select the Smart Power functions. You can use Smart Power with or without an HR belt. After starting the ride and activating smart power you can just put the phone with display of in your bag. (you need to keep the BLEvo app running on the background for smart power)

The smart power control will let you first pedal around a certain threshold wattage. Around the threshold the motor power increases and you will enjoy proportional assistance. (so mostly you don't need to change to trail or turbo anymore but just ride in eco with proportional support)

Hope this helps...

hi, are you able to advise what firmware you refer to? my mission control shows firmware versions for motor, battery and display but none of them look like 2.025.

 

[Maastricht]

hi, are you able to advise what firmware you refer to? my mission control shows firmware versions for motor, battery and display but none of them look like 2.025.

The difference in notation occurs due to decimal (BLEvo) and hexadecimal (MC) code but unlike Paolo I am not a code magician.

Hopefully the table below helps...

 

[FunkinMonkey]

Hi,
New to this thread. Had my Turbo Levo for a few months. About the app, great work. Thank you. I have a couple of questions.
1. Why are there two sliders for each power mode?
2. How do I set up smart power without a HR monitor... what do I set the slider values to / how do I know what my threshold is?
Thanks.

 

[Maastricht]

Hi,
New to this thread. Had my Turbo Levo for a few months. About the app, great work. Thank you. I have a couple of questions.
1. Why are there two sliders for each power mode?
2. How do I set up smart power without a HR monitor... what do I set the slider values to / how do I know what my threshold is?
Thanks.

Hi,

I think the post below answers your 1st question:
Understanding Support vs Peak Power in Mission Control App v2.0 - EMTB Forums

I think the manual explains your 2nd question:
Instruction manual in english
Not sure if you use the Android version but if so, check chapter 7.

In case of any questions left, please let us know.

 

[Stumpy]

Now the iOS version has the handling of battery extender..
I need to check if the autonomy use also the Wh of battery extender...

Hi @PaoloBLEvo

I used the extender handling feature on my latest ride and added 252wh for my additional battery but the autonomy was still inaccurate. At the end of the ride logged below it was saying I had 9 miles?

Also, look at the motor max power from this ride - without BLEvo I’m around 780watts on average but as you’ll see, this ride I was over a 1000! ???

Statistical data for my ride Tue, 21 May 2019 16:43:52 BST

Short statistics:

- Elapsed time: 0:56:12
- Miles total: 15.18 mi
- Speed average: 16.2 mph
- Ascent total: +1049 ft
- Battery Consumed: 46% (231 Wh + 115 Wh)
- Consumption average: 15.22 Wh/mi
- Wh ride: 422Wh
- Wh Biker: 18.0% (76Wh)
- Wh Battery: 82.0% (346Wh)

Full statistics:

Firmware: 2.23.1
User Settings:
"Advanced user": 35(+❤)/70(+❤)/81(+❤) PP 65/100/100 ACC Eco
Smart Power : Watt 155 (+/- 15) - Reactivity High
Smart HR ❤ : BPM 110 (+/- 3) - Linked to Smart Power
- Smart ECO: Min 5% - Max 39%
- Smart TRAIL: Min 36% - Max 80%
- Smart TURBO: Min 81% - Max 100%

Assistance average: 85.5%
- TURBO: 85.5%

Ride Time:
- Start time: Tue, 21 May 2019 16:43:52 BST
- Stop time: Tue, 21 May 2019 17:47:34 BST
- Elapsed time:0:56:12
- TURBO: 0:56:12 (100.0%)

Battery:
- Start: 99% (497 Wh + 252 Wh)
- End: 53% (266 Wh + 137 Wh)
- Consumed: 46% (231 Wh + 115 Wh)
- TURBO: 46.0% (346 Wh)

Consumption average: 22.79 Wh/mi
- TURBO: 22.79 Wh/mi

Battery Temperature:
- Min: 23°C
- Max: 26°C
- Average: 25°C

Motor Temperature:
- Min: 24°C
- Max: 69°C
- Average: 56°C

Motor Efficiency: 63.6%

Miles Total: 15.18 mi
- TURBO: 15.18 (100.0%)

Miles Total with assistance: 14.26/15.18 mi (93.9 %)
- TURBO: 14.26/15.18 mi (93.9%)

Speed average: 16.2 mph
- TURBO: 16.2 mph

Speed Max: 29.6 mph
- TURBO: 29.6 mph (17:40:07 - mi 13.83)

Cadence average: 69 rpm
- TURBO: 69 rpm

Cadence Max: 105 rpm
- TURBO: 105 rpm (16:47:04 - mi 0.19)

Heart rate average: 109 bpm
- TURBO: 109 bpm

Heart rate Max: 126 bpm
- TURBO: 126 bpm (17:07:57 - mi 9.31)

Kcal consumed: 299 Kcal
- TURBO: 299 Kcal

Biker power Max: 330 W
- TURBO: 330 W (17:11:00 - mi 10.56)

Total Wh Biker: 76 Wh
- TURBO: 76 Wh (100.0 %)

Motor power Max: 1074 W
- TURBO: 1074 W (17:08:13 - mi 9.41)

Total Wh motor: 219 Wh
- TURBO: 219 Wh (100.0 %)

Max Altitude: 347 ft
Min Altitude: 111 ft

Ascent total: +1049 ft
- TURBO: 320 ft (100.0 %)

Descent total: -1000 ft
- TURBO: 1000 ft (100.0 %)

 

[PaoloBLEvo]

Hi @PaoloBLEvo

I used the extender handling feature on my latest ride and added 252wh for my additional battery but the autonomy was still inaccurate. At the end of the ride logged below it was saying I had 9 miles?

Also, look at the motor max power from this ride - without BLEvo I’m around 780watts on average but as you’ll see, this ride I was over a 1000! ???

Statistical data for my ride Tue, 21 May 2019 16:43:52 BST

Short statistics:

- Elapsed time: 0:56:12
- Miles total: 15.18 mi
- Speed average: 16.2 mph
- Ascent total: +1049 ft
- Battery Consumed: 46% (231 Wh + 115 Wh)
- Consumption average: 15.22 Wh/mi
- Wh ride: 422Wh
- Wh Biker: 18.0% (76Wh)
- Wh Battery: 82.0% (346Wh)

Full statistics:

Firmware: 2.23.1
User Settings:
"Advanced user": 35(+❤)/70(+❤)/81(+❤) PP 65/100/100 ACC Eco
Smart Power : Watt 155 (+/- 15) - Reactivity High
Smart HR ❤ : BPM 110 (+/- 3) - Linked to Smart Power
- Smart ECO: Min 5% - Max 39%
- Smart TRAIL: Min 36% - Max 80%
- Smart TURBO: Min 81% - Max 100%

Assistance average: 85.5%
- TURBO: 85.5%

Ride Time:
- Start time: Tue, 21 May 2019 16:43:52 BST
- Stop time: Tue, 21 May 2019 17:47:34 BST
- Elapsed time:0:56:12
- TURBO: 0:56:12 (100.0%)

Battery:
- Start: 99% (497 Wh + 252 Wh)
- End: 53% (266 Wh + 137 Wh)
- Consumed: 46% (231 Wh + 115 Wh)
- TURBO: 46.0% (346 Wh)

Consumption average: 22.79 Wh/mi
- TURBO: 22.79 Wh/mi

Battery Temperature:
- Min: 23°C
- Max: 26°C
- Average: 25°C

Motor Temperature:
- Min: 24°C
- Max: 69°C
- Average: 56°C

Motor Efficiency: 63.6%

Miles Total: 15.18 mi
- TURBO: 15.18 (100.0%)

Miles Total with assistance: 14.26/15.18 mi (93.9 %)
- TURBO: 14.26/15.18 mi (93.9%)

Speed average: 16.2 mph
- TURBO: 16.2 mph

Speed Max: 29.6 mph
- TURBO: 29.6 mph (17:40:07 - mi 13.83)

Cadence average: 69 rpm
- TURBO: 69 rpm

Cadence Max: 105 rpm
- TURBO: 105 rpm (16:47:04 - mi 0.19)

Heart rate average: 109 bpm
- TURBO: 109 bpm

Heart rate Max: 126 bpm
- TURBO: 126 bpm (17:07:57 - mi 9.31)

Kcal consumed: 299 Kcal
- TURBO: 299 Kcal

Biker power Max: 330 W
- TURBO: 330 W (17:11:00 - mi 10.56)

Total Wh Biker: 76 Wh
- TURBO: 76 Wh (100.0 %)

Motor power Max: 1074 W
- TURBO: 1074 W (17:08:13 - mi 9.41)

Total Wh motor: 219 Wh
- TURBO: 219 Wh (100.0 %)

Max Altitude: 347 ft
Min Altitude: 111 ft

Ascent total: +1049 ft
- TURBO: 320 ft (100.0 %)

Descent total: -1000 ft
- TURBO: 1000 ft (100.0 %)

I will check..
Thanks for the notification

 

[PaoloBLEvo]

I will check..
Thanks for the notification

I checked the code and the motor power max calculation seems to be calculated correctly.. I saw a bug in the total of motor energy.. 219 wh is too low..
Could you send the csv file to [email protected]?
Thanks.

 

[Stumpy]

I checked the code and the motor power max calculation seems to be calculated correctly.. I saw a bug in the total of motor energy.. 219 wh is too low..
Could you send the csv file to [email protected]?
Thanks.

Will do Paolo, I took another ride tonight without adding the extender and was back to ‘normal’ motor power max @ 700(ish) watts? I’ll send you both files....

EDIT: Sent

 

[Jersey Skier]

Does raising the max speed from 25kph to 32kph have any affect on the tire circumference entered on Blevo? I have 2281 entered for a 27.5x2.8 tire on ios. I'm trying to figure out why my actual speed and distance is reported to high on Blevo by 20% or more.

I thought maybe my garmin was under reporting due to tree coverage so I mapped out an exactly 3 mile road ride. Garmin showed 3 miles, Blevo was at 4.08 with a higher speed too.

 

[Jono967]

Hi this may or may not have been covered
I've purchased a second hand 2017 Levo with a 409 wh battery that works fine with the Blevo app
With that, I can access the madness settings and modify the cm settings as well as the Accelerate settings which has transformed the bike firmware 4.22.3
As the battery health is at 85% and I'm thinking of doing longer rides I decided to purchase a bigger battery, which I did yesterday.
The new battery is 504wh firmware 2.23.1, the problem is I now can't access the madness setting or able to even see the CM setting or the accelerate setting at all with the new battery.
My question is how do I access these settings on the new battery?

 

[PaoloBLEvo]

Does raising the max speed from 25kph to 32kph have any affect on the tire circumference entered on Blevo? I have 2281 entered for a 27.5x2.8 tire on ios. I'm trying to figure out why my actual speed and distance is reported to high on Blevo by 20% or more.

I thought maybe my garmin was under reporting due to tree coverage so I mapped out an exactly 3 mile road ride. Garmin showed 3 miles, Blevo was at 4.08 with a higher speed too.

Are you sure about 2281? Did you measure when you were sitting on the bike?

 

[PaoloBLEvo]

The new firmware has fixed the bug of the CM and it has been introduced the pick power concept..
You cannot use the old setting.. sorry..

 

[Jono967]

The new firmware has fixed the bug of the CM and it has been introduced the pick power concept..
You cannot use the old setting.. sorry..

Is that in regards to my question if so have you got a screenshot of where to access the cm

 

[PaoloBLEvo]

Is that in regards to my question if so have you got a screenshot of where to access the cm

The battery with the new firmware x.23 doesn't have the CM setup..

 

[Jono967]

So which setting can I use with the new battery that has a similar feel to the madness setting on the old battery?
Thanks, Paolo
The app you have designed and the amount of advice you give is absolutely amazing

 

[KrisFl]

I've ridden 55km with blevo today, made about 1100 metres in climbing/ascending. Blevo in its core performed flawlessly, there are however a few minor things that I've noticed.

a) The autonomy is very, very conservative. I rode about 45km, had 25% battery left and BLevo managed to say that with those 25% (of 700Wh) I could only ride about 4km on 50% assistence. I rode the remaining 10 km on full turbo, and had still 15% of the original 25% left.

b) The map drawing isn't always accurate. I'm not sure it is the map, the app or the gps. But there can be as much as 30-40 meters of distance between the track i'm on and my position on screen. I'm pretty sure it's not GPS inaccuracy, because it is very predictable.

c) I'm missing data fields on the map screen. There are a few essential values (battery percentage) that in my opinion deserve a special place. For example the bike battery doesn't have to be a data field but can be a small colored bar (4-5px) on the top of the screen. Same goes for phone battery. Maybe consider drawing over the map with a transparent background? (Or half opaque)

d) When in map-rotating mode (track up) it's probably best to position the rider about 3/4rd down the screen. There is no use in drawing what is behind me.

All things considered, a very good ride for me and BLevo. Thanks Paolo!

@PaoloBLEvo
I agree with point a and d.
Same feeling on autonomy left towards the end.
And it would be good to position the rider on the map lower, so more visibility on what is to come.

Blevo changed my riding experience ?