Riding at night?

steve_sordy

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My one and only night ride nearly ended in disaster. My mate (well, he was then) invited me out on a night ride of about 7 miles. He leant me one of his bar lights and off we went. He had bar and a helmet light. With bar lights only, the first thing I learned was how your vision narrows down to the floodlit section in front of you. Look sideways and you see NOTHING! That makes sharp turns through the hedge a bit of a lottery. What's on the other side of the hedge gap? It could be a ditch, flat, mud, steps...... I soon learned to take wide turns to give the bar light chance to see where I was going. I then learned that the big black shadow on the ground could be shallow, deep or anything in between! A helmet light would have solved all those problems.

Anyway, we slowly made our way into the grounds of a stately home. Cruising down a gravel path we came across a pair of matching stone pillars. Having been to stately homes before and seen those types of pillar, I guessed that there was a flight of steps coming up. Seeing my mate's light dropping away confirmed it. I don't know why, but I followed exactly in my mate's tracks. And found myself rolling down a scaffolding plank! The steps had been removed and in their place was the plank. If I had gone slightly off track, or at an angle, I would have disappeared into a big hole, probably hitting my face on the edge of the other side before falling backwards onto the broken masonry at the bottom. It would not have been at all pretty. My mate had given me no warning whatsoever, showed no concern and I was more than a bit pissed off with him. :mad:

We actually did just over 14 miles that evening, which was when I discovered that he was no judge of distance either.

A few years before I knew him he'd had a serious crash on his motorbike and had been pronounced dead at the scene and then two more times after that! Six months in hospital, long, long, catalogue of injuries, told that he'd never walk again, etc. I believe that the head injuries altered his judgement of risk, in that he just did not see danger. It led to me parting company with him because he wanted me to ride what I saw as insanely dangerous stuff and took the piss when I refused. I bumped into him years later and sadly he was in a wheelchair - for life! He told me that he'd done it mountain biking; one DH course too many. Very sad indeed.:(

I've not been out at night on my mtb ever since. But then I'm retired and can ride in daylight. If I was a wage slave with a young family, then evenings may be the best time to ride. In which a decent set of lights would be a Godsend.
 
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GrahamPaul

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I'm retired, but I love riding out at night. However, I have Hope R8 lights on the bars and a Cateye Volt800 as a helmet light. Night riding is a joy.
However, I do understand exactly what you are talking about if you don't have the right kit. I was a bit late back from an afternoon ride a couple of weeks ago and did the last part on single track with the Volt800 on the bars. Never again. :eek:
 

steve_sordy

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15 years old we managed with a candle you drama queen.
I don't know about you, but my candle would get blown out at less than half my normal speed! :(

I have a mental image of you slowly pedalling along holding aloft a Liberace style candelabra. :oops:
 

Bones

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They certainly have come a long way. When the hope lights came out with about 800 lumem I was converting old mr11 lights with cree leds from Australia and drivers from China and lenses from Germany and could just get about 300 lumen from them with a water bottle full of rechargeable batteries weighing a ton.
 

The Hodge

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I had/ have one of the original rechargeable MaxxD lights ..must be getting on for 12 years old ( at least )..the cost of these things back then were bloody extortionate ( £340ish)..for 740 lumens !
We thought we were the bees knees back then ..but Steve in the original post is correct ..when handlebar mounted you can only see the way the light is pointing ..a game changer was when I got a helmet mounted light for £99.00..a few years back with 2200 lumens which lights up the area you are looking at ..nearly 3000 lumens turns night into day but if you had to choose then helmet mounted is definitely the way to go ..
Sadly we have all got older and soft and having done some epic riding when we first started ( some nights not getting back until the wee early hours ) it must be a good couple of years since our group was last out .
I think a lot has to do with the milder weather as we don't seem to get the nice hard frosty evenings anymore ..and coming back with a bike covered in slop late at night has lost its appeal ..but never say never !
 

Jimbo Vills

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I bought the bike initially to be a winter hobby, so it's something that's interested me since I bought the bike and knew would be coming as the days get shorter.

Work and family commitments mean bike time is limited, if i don't ride mid week in the dark at this time of year, i'll be lucky to get out even just once a week :cry:

I went out last night and it really is a different experience, i really enjoyed riding under a different perspective. You absolutely need the bar lights and one on the helmet otherwise it gets tricky indeed.

I done a 14 mile XC route last night and was ace. Much needed fresh air and time to myself. Quite a chilled ride as I was definitely more cautious than I normally would be. It would be a hoot as a group ride though on some proper trails.
 

deksawyer

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I absolutely love riding at night, but tend to do it in a small group, 5 or 6 of us.

Last time out was the new Gloworm X2 (1700lm) on bars and Chilli-Tech (960lm) on lid. Gonna try it the other way tomorrow. And gonna eventually get another Gloworm so it works off the wireless remote as well.
 

The Hodge

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Kilham ..you have just reminded me of one of the funniest moments we ever had on a group night ride when our lights disturbed a roosting Heron ( in a tree)..not the most graceful of birds at the best of times it lost height when taking off and flapped down onto my mate ( Tasker's) helmet knocking him sideways before gaining height again and flying off into the night ..I think the rest of us fell off our bikes belly aching with laughter ..?
 

mak

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Remember dynamo , like hitting the brakes for the equivalent of lighting a match stick, come to think of it remember match sticks :rolleyes:
I haven't started night riding yet, I've got a bit lazy so need to get out straight from work before I get showered, to be honest I'm looking forward to it.
I've got some serious lighting so all good there, I wont be deviating from my small training route around the park so no chance of an off or unexpected dangers although I totally get its dangerous at night on unfamiliar trails.
Its a bit spooky though.
"Slave to the wage" lol, one day Steve I hope that saying doesn't apply to me but for now and the foreseeable future unless I pass away its all to real :confused:
 

Elsketcho

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Wow those three words took me back. I thought I was the mutts nuts when I had 2 of these mounted on the bars of my Muddy Fox Courier. ???

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Gary

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I've been night riding off road regularly since about '93 or' 94.
Spent a ridiculous £240 on a set of bar mounted NightsunUSA mtb lights imported from the US. They had a whopping 10w spot and 40w flood, titanium mounting hardware and a waterbottle battery but in reality looked like someone had welded brackets and housings for 2 diphoric kitchen bulbs from left over mechano, and stuck a bunch of NiCad batteries in a waterbottle and filled the excess space with cavity wall insulation and wired the two together. Probably because that's exactly what some American entrepreneur had done.
Been night riding ever since. Helmet mounted
Led lights and LiIon batteries were (a d still are) a game changer.
 

Bones

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Just got in from a night ride with cheap 2 years old Chinese lights giving about 2k lumens on the bars and helmet. It's great at night seeing all sorts of wildlife and ending up a the pub?
 

#lazy

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When in my teens we would go on night rides with the guy at the front the only one with lights , you had to stay on his wheel or crash !
Now I’ve got a new pair of exposure’s ( Diablo + Maxx d ) at £500 which I thought was crazy cash but looking on eBay they hold their valve for years ! No battery packs or cables and great night vision I’m pretty pleased !
 

GeekEcosse

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Just got in from a night ride with cheap 2 years old Chinese lights giving about 2k lumens on the bars and helmet. It's great at night seeing all sorts of wildlife and ending up a the pub?

Similar setup here, cheap ebay high lumen triple LED bar light and big old unit on my helmet. Used them on my CX commute with no problem for 90 minutes no problem and been using them for night MTB runs. Looking to update the lighting on the K9 harness for the trail dog next.

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Waynemarlow

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Type in Cree T6 bike light into EBay and you get 852 results in the U.K., just be wary that the 3 light versions chew battery enough that a 2 T6 version with its supplied 4 cells will just get you home in about 2 1/2 hours of on time. The Chinese lights last forever, the batteries everyone puts away fully discharged at the end of the winter and then wonders why the cells are dead at the start of the next Autumn, but they are only 6 notes or so and if you do remember to 1/2 charge them like I do, they too seem to last forever

We‘ve been riding as a group for over 15 years at night ( good excuse for a pint after ) and try to make the ride circa 400m climb in about 2 hours on the analogues to hit the designated pub, 2 t-6’s on the bars and a single on the helmet and when riding as a group on the road, cars stop as it looks like a ferkin big lorry.

oh and if you want to be really cute, buy high capacity cells and replace the damaged cells, 2 cells of Samsung 3500ma @ 8 volts will do the same as a 4 cell pack but half the weight on your helmet.
 

Gary

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Cars don't normally stop at night when a lorry approaches. They may well stop when confronted by a bunch of selfish fannies blinding them by shining super bright lights straight at their eyes though.
Switch off your helmet mounted lights and just use the bar mounted lights for the road. Preferably pointed downwards.
 

Waynemarlow

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Cars don't normally stop at night when a lorry approaches. They may well stop when confronted by a bunch of selfish fannies blinding them by shining super bright lights straight at their eyes though.
Switch off your helmet mounted lights and just use the bar mounted lights for the road. Preferably pointed downwards.

I guess you don’t ride much at night as you have no concept of what lights we use, we do point our lights down, but 8 riders all with lights moving around in a way which is totally unusual to a car driver can be translated to be perceived by computer based Gary’s of the world lecturing about “ bright lights straight at their eyes“, when it’s just the unusual configuration of the lights creating the problems.
 
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