At least Irn brew will have some spare girdersI see they have gone tits up and are calling in the recievers
Market forces or cleverly filtered all the beer tokens away?
Perhaps I am being to harsh on them
State of the market rather than malice, look at how every other brand is struggling.I see they have gone tits up and are calling in the recievers
Market forces or cleverly filtered all the beer tokens away?
Perhaps I am being to harsh on them
Well that's me told!.State of the market rather than malice, look at how every other brand is struggling.
*Also, they've called in administrators, people owed send in receivers.
No probs, hope I didn't come across as too much of a pedant!Well that's me told!.
In my defence I only passed on some info and never read the story.
I still can't get my head around decent company's not having any reserves when they have made a fortune not that long ago!
Well that's me told!.
In my defence I only passed on some info and never read the story.
I still can't get my head around decent company's not having any reserves when they have made a fortune not that long ago!
A good single pivot with a good shock works very well. The perfect suspension system has yet to be developed. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. It makes you wonder if all the complicated designs shoved down our throats are worth it. Other areas in the mountain bike industry have come along ways. Rear suspension really hasnāt come that far in the last 25 years. Itās the shocks that have improved the most.Orange are a weird one. They've stuck with their single pivot design forever as an article of faith while everyone else moved on. They strike me as a nostalgia brand beloved by middle aged guys who fondly remember the Team Animal late 90's heyday The couple of old farts I know who run them are almost evangelical about them but seemingly not to the point of buying a new one every couple of years.
No, for the most part, companies dictate what we buy, by what they produce and shove it down our throats, with marketing. The latest thing being shoved down our throats is short cranks. And people are dumb enough to eat it up like it was the best thing since sliced bread. Orange has a big following. Most companies go out of business because of bad management, not because they canāt sell product. Almost all of the bike companies that are going out of business right now are doing so, because they made poor choices. Covid forced them into bad choices. One company is sitting on a billion dollars of product and they are doing everything they can to sell it.Nothing is shoved down your throat. Companies design bikes & offer them for sale. You then either buy them or you don't. In Orange's case, people seem to have made the choice to buy elsewhere.
What the advantages of LONG cranks on e-bikes ?No, for the most part, companies dictate what we buy, by what they produce and shove it down our throats, with marketing. The latest thing being shoved down our throats is short cranks. And people are dumb enough to eat it up like it was the best thing since sliced bread. Orange has a big following. Most companies go out of business because of bad management, not because they canāt sell product. Almost all of the bike companies that are going out of business right now are doing so, because they made poor choices. Covid forced them into bad choices. One company is sitting on a billion dollars of product and they are doing everything they can to sell it.
Ah the classic - if you dont believe what I believe then your dumb - approach to debate. Well done. There is no such thing as long or short cranks. There is a traditional crank length decided on years ago by roadies and no one can tell you why that decision was made... its just tradition. Finally people are exploring other sizes.No, for the most part, companies dictate what we buy, by what they produce and shove it down our throats, with marketing. The latest thing being shoved down our throats is short cranks. And people are dumb enough to eat it up like it was the best thing since sliced bread.
Where did I saw you were dumb? But, hey if thatās what you wanna believe, than knock yourself out. And yes, when it comes to cranks there is long and short. Short being 140mm and long being 180mm.Ah the classic - if you dont believe what I believe then your dumb - approach to debate. Well done. There is no such thing as long or short cranks. There is a traditional crank length decided on years ago by roadies and no one can tell you why that decision was made... its just tradition. Finally people are exploring other sizes.
In the road world this year the peloton will be moving to 155/ 160 lengths as they are more aero, keeps the upper body more stable and itās been proven, doesnt produce any less power. In fact as they encourage a higher cadence as they unsettle the upper body less, they might for some riders be more powerful. Easier to rev. Pidcock & PogaÄar are all going to be on 160 cranks this year down from 175.
So if the roadies.. Using some actual testing are heading that way, and there is no loss in power why would EMTBs where stability, a central position and ground clearance, are also advantages to 150/155/160 cranks, continue with the traditional length? Also with some emtb motors requiring high revs to get the most power 150/155/160 cranks should could be a bonus as they are easier to "rev".
So lots of advantages to explore. Canāt think of any disadvantages. Less leverage maybe but the roadies testing seems to negate that train of thought, and leverage isnt important on its own as its only one aspect of "power".
So is it still being āforced down our throatsā or maybe just another sensible evolution we should be open minded in exploring?
Anyways sad to see Orange go but they had poor financials 8+ years ago according to companyās house so have been in bad health for a while. They didnāt embrace modern marketing to explain the advantages of their approach and as a result looked staid and retro. Peaty winning on a 224 only carries kudos for so long. Probably hard to innovate when you have owned a business for 35 years and it has worked in the past. Sometimes youāre the last to see why its not working anymore.
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