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Thought this was interesting, those on ebikes heart rates are 93% of those riding the same trail on an analogue bike.
No, ebikes aren’t cheating
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Thought this was interesting, those on ebikes heart rates are 93% of those riding the same trail on an analogue bike.
Steve940
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93% bollox,my normal bike after 20-30 miles im half dead,on the E I'm as fresh as hell
Thought this was interesting, those on ebikes heart rates are 93% of those riding the same trail on an analogue bike.
KeithR
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Yeah, what do scientists know? Just because they've got "methodology", done "research" and "analysis", and have arrived at a conclusion that tallies with other studies...
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I suppose it will depend on how you ride. These results do tally with how I see it myself though.
Steve940
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They can say whatever they want,all I know is that I'm nowhere near 93% on my E as I am on my normal mtb..say a lot for there methodology and research..does anybody else on here feel they get near 90% of the workout?
So my conclusion is its utter bollox
me and a pal went to bedgebury the other day. Pushed for time we done three laps flat out in turbo.
i was totally bolloxed and blowing.
so yes imo you can get a proper workout.
can’t comment on the original link tho. But I do think you’d be surprised.
Steve940
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You absolutely can get a workout,but if you've paid 000s of pounds for 7%help then we must all be mad
JoeBlow
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Maybe so but are you measuring your heart rate. Heart rate is not the same as how you feel. I used to rock climb and there have been times when my body was totally fresh but my heart rate was off the scale.
Al
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I think you’re confusing a 93% heart rate compared to those who aren’t on an ebike, with that somehow being only 7% “assistance”. I don’t think the data says that. It just says that those on an ebike are getting 93% of the cardiovascular workout (heart rate) than those who are on non ebikes.
Then add in the fact that those on ebikes most likely cycle farther than if they had been on a non ebike and you can see that the two forms of exercise are actually similar in the cardiovascular workout it gives you. Admittedly, this is not covered in this study, but everyone is different and cycling style will be a big part of it.
Philpug
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If you drive to the trailhead? Could that be cheating?
If you car shuttle to the top of a mountain? Could that be cheating?
Are we actually racing? Then yes, that would be cheating.
If you car shuttle to the top of a mountain? Could that be cheating?
Are we actually racing? Then yes, that would be cheating.
what we paid it for then? ?
I paid it for more miles and longer rides. Can’t comment on anyone else
but my bike has surpassed all expectations I had for it.
Love riding it and it’s become my main source of exercise which I didn’t intend it for
Steve940
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Can't use science and then say e will probably ride further lol
Steve940
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Listen,everyone's entitled to there opinions however bizarre,but of you feel your getting 93%of a workout on your ebike then good luck,enjoy,but I'm getting much different
Philpug
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10 miles on my EMTB is a lot different than 10 miles on a regular bike....not even close.
JoeBlow
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If you are going at about the same speed I don't think anyone would argue with that but I'm not sure that's the issue.
Al
what if you ride 18 miles in the time you would 10 on a normal bike? ?
Steve940
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Philpug
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I would still say an hour on my e..where I could blast out 10 or so miles is still less work/excersize than an hour on my regular bike where I might get just half the miles.
Did I quote any science? No science whatsoever.
but surely you expect the fact if you ride further in the same time but assisted it’ll be closer in terms of rider input. Even assisted
but surely you expect the fact if you ride further in the same time but assisted it’ll be closer in terms of rider input. Even assisted
yeah I think you are right. In terms of climbing and cardio.
But then if you are doing a lot more decents and trails as the e bike let’s you cover the ground... you need to factor in that too...
either way. Both fun. ??
Thought this was interesting, those on ebikes heart rates are 93% of those riding the same trail on an analogue bike.
Cheating at what? I bought an E as it’s different and I can bang out a 20 miler in the time I took do a 13 -15 miler. “Go Further Faster” is my motto. (But watch out for trees). And I’ll take 93%......I am nearly 50!!
JoeBlow
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Who cares? I'm 72 and I wouldn't be riding at all if it wasn't for my e bike. It's a bit ironic isn't it, I got called a cheat by some youngsters who had arrived at the top of Bike Park Wales using the uplift.
nasamorpheus
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I did some testing on shorter ride 12 kmh with 50 percent uphill other flat, and 400 meter climb gain...I have 135 AVG ? beat with xc bike and 105 AVG ? beat with ebike on forest road with 400 meter climb. Max 166 with ebike and max 180 with xc bike. Average speed 18 kmh on ebike Vs 12kmh on xc bike.. time on xc bike 55 min vs 35 min on ebike...So that means much less exercise on ebike and 77.7 percent of heart rate. This is all normal driving not pushing hard on either bike. I used data from many rides with xc, at least 10 and 5 ebike rides coz I have it only couple of days.
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Lexinoo
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I do more or less the same trails as I did on my normal bikes but add in some climbs I would have avoided on them. I don't get anywhere near as tired, but I go a lot more often and have a lot more fun.
Peoples heart rate for a given amount of effort will depend on their fitness level. I think most of us judge the amount of exercise we have had by how tired we feel. That is not scientific because it that may be physical or psychological......it may be muscle exhaustion or lack of general stamina. Are you able to determine what it is that makes you say..."I have had enough now"?
Yesterday I did my first day at a Bike Park (Windhill) I usually ride natural forest trails or trail centres. I was amazed how tiring it was. I rode back up after each run....most walked. Downhill the motor is doing nothing except making the bike go faster and making it more physical to ride the berms and jumps due to the extra weight. I did about 8 runs on the blue and red runs and sessioned a set of 3 table tops about 15 times. In the end it was my legs that cried enough...not cardio vascular or anything psychological. Im nearly 70. On an analogue bike most of my time would have been spent walking/pushing back up the hill.
So the science means nothing to me. Am I cheating? Yes...I am cheating old age......and gravity.
Yesterday I did my first day at a Bike Park (Windhill) I usually ride natural forest trails or trail centres. I was amazed how tiring it was. I rode back up after each run....most walked. Downhill the motor is doing nothing except making the bike go faster and making it more physical to ride the berms and jumps due to the extra weight. I did about 8 runs on the blue and red runs and sessioned a set of 3 table tops about 15 times. In the end it was my legs that cried enough...not cardio vascular or anything psychological. Im nearly 70. On an analogue bike most of my time would have been spent walking/pushing back up the hill.
So the science means nothing to me. Am I cheating? Yes...I am cheating old age......and gravity.
KeithR
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Yep, this is the point discussed the last time the same article came up on here:
E-MTB isn’t cheating - research finding
No, e-bikes aren’t cheating Whilst it’s a small study it has some interesting findings. Link to the paper is in the article too - including the bikes they used.
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Yes but 23 miles on an ebike is comparable to 10 on acoustic. I ride farther and more often on the ebike.
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