Looking for the unicorn eBike

[Pasto]

Hey there folks,

I am trying to decide on my first e-bike, but i kinda have a lot of requirements and i am not sure such bike even exists(yet).
So i googled the biggest emtb forum and here i am to try and get some help .

I am a heavy dude(100kg) and one of my requirements that i can make a trip on the bike to my cabin. I planned the route on strava and looks to be 80km with 2000m of ascents(60% fire road/10%single/30%road). According to my research i would need at least 800-900 wh of battery for that running around 150% assist. Is this doable or will i need to go even higher? I can currently do 2/3 of the route on my hardtail but i would like to boost my range and make the trip back the next day after recharging.

I really do not fancy to carry an extra battery in my back pack for such a long ride. So i was looking for something that allows for battery extenders to be placed instead of a water bottle.

I almost finally had found the bike that would work for me the XDURO AllMtn 3.5 form haibike until i discovered the dreaded weight limit of 120 kg.

Any ideas of a bike that could work for this task? Ideally i would like to get under 6000 eur and buy from a local dealer(Slovakia/EU) a bike that i can also use for some trail riding and has at least 150mm of travel.

I was also looking at the new Turbo Levo Comp even if its over the budget but i have a feeling 860 wh(700 battery/160 extender) will not be enough for the task.

Are there any other manufacturers that do secondary battery storage on bikes? Or are there any other solutions to carry a spare battery on the bike(i saw some storage over the back wheel but i am not sure if that could work with full suss, or if its a really bad idea)

And two bonus questions:

How much hassle is it to remove an integrated battery from the bike after each ride(anyone doing this and wishing they went with an external battery instead)?

If i went with the haibike, could the dealer refuse warranty service on a part based on the fact that i went over the maximum manufacturer weight limit? For example for a part that should be able to handle the weight like the motor/brake/suspension?

Thank for reading trough the wall of text and any suggestions are appreciated.
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Martin

 

[GrandPaBrogan]

Welcome Pasto

Here's my four cents:

• Look for bikes that have high torque output, 80 Nm or higher - there's lots of them now.
• Look for a motor that is biased or can be programmed to deliver peak output towards the lower cadence zone of rider input. Giant (SyncDrive Pro motor) for example, but there may be others.
• Exceeding the max weight limit may null the warranty - BUT modern enduro bikes are designed for the rigours of full-on DH and jumping applications, so if you're only doing mild trail runs and NOT gonna be doing extreme riding - there may be enough engineering head-room for your weight to be a non-issue. But the warranty thing is a legality which could prove to be a snag should your bike fail from a legit factory defect - as opposed to exceeding the weight limit. A risk that you may have to take.
• Not all removable batteries look like an after-thought stuck on the downtube. Some are flush and don't stick out. Built-in or removable batteries will depend on your specific storage and charging situation. If you have a large garage and can bring in and store your bike no problem, then an integrated battery might be fine. But if you don't have space (lets say you have to store the bike in an outside shed) and can only charge the battery indoors, then getting a bike with a detachable battery might be a better choice.

 

[Bilko]

Models | Riese & Müller what you need is probably here not sure on prices though. My local bike shop had some with twin batteries.

 

[Bigxmtb]

So im a bit heavier than you and I have never had an issue with bike weight limits. Ive still got my old trusty voodoo bizango hardtail from halfords that I was told had about 120kg limit also but ive done everything on that bike, jumps, drops, rock gardens, ye it was rough ride but its done it and ive never broken a wheel, barely had punctures and that has just standard alloy 32h rims. (barely ride it anymore but it would still be able to handle it)

I personally wouldnt worry about the weight limit and theres no way companies will check with you about your weight if you even needed to make a warranty claim. All weight limits are advisory and not necessarily the max it can take.

Like @GrandPaBrogan said the haibike is built for enduro in mind so even then it can take more of a beating that most and im pretty sure the rims it comes with are rated to 150kg.

Cant advise on the emtb specific stuff really (like battery etc) as im new to that myself but being a heavy guy on a mtb for years and if you treat the bike properly you wont have an issue.

 

[Rusty]

Scott Genius eRide 900 Tuned with the battery extender - takes it to 1125Wh.
Scott Genius eRide
Quite possibly that extender is also on the lower models. Haven't put it on my 900 Tuned as I want it light and nimble, but if I needed the point to point range I would look into it.

 

[Steve940]

I'm sure trailwatts do a 320wh extender for specialized bikes...

 

[urastus]

merida e160's have 36 spokes rear and 32 front - they should handle more weight better

 

[Rusty]

Scott Genius eRide 900 Tuned with the battery extender - takes it to 1125Wh.
Scott Genius eRide
Quite possibly that extender is also on the lower models. Haven't put it on my 900 Tuned as I want it light and nimble, but if I needed the point to point range I would look into it.

Was in the shop today and the extender fits all the eRide Spark & Genius range - however, some of the lowest lines only come with a 500Wh and not the 625Wh main battery.

 

[urastus]

did you check out bilko's post above? 2 x 1000wh batteries? Integrated?

 

[Rusty]

did you check out bilko's post above? 2 x 1000wh batteries? Integrated?

Is the Bosch G4 so 1125Wh with both batteries. I expect a hell of a lot higher price though.
Personally I am not a fan of the belt drives - had a singlespeed with belt drive and stripped belts often (my 112kg weight I expect).
Internal geared Rohloff hub looks a nice tough though.

 

[Pasto]

Thank you for the tips, i am going to look into them, so far Riese & Müller looks really nice(but a bit pricey) but there is no dealer for them in my town.

Unfortunately the specialized looks like its currently out of stock at least the comp model.

I didn't really look into the yamaha motors, they seemed to always land in last when compared with the other 3 big brands and i was worried about their service availability but i will look a bit more into them and the low cadence performance.

I am also going to look into the scotts, i did not know they supported range extenders on the frame, these could work out for me.

 

[MPJ]

Scott Genius eRide 900 Tuned with the battery extender - takes it to 1125Wh.
Scott Genius eRide
Quite possibly that extender is also on the lower models. Haven't put it on my 900 Tuned as I want it light and nimble, but if I needed the point to point range I would look into it.

Good call Rusty.
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