Dji avinox

[Entonox]

I watched the Velomotion review and even he says the test bench doesn't replicate real life riding.
He had a lot of praise for the motor especially the power delivery - watch the last 10 mins.

 

[nrgbod]

How are people auto translating the speech on the Velomotion youtube video?
I have been watching it slowed down with autotranslated closed captions but can't find a way to translate speech on the fly.

 

[Mteam]

How are people auto translating the speech on the Velomotion youtube video?
I have been watching it slowed down with autotranslated closed captions but can't find a way to translate speech on the fly.

Click the cog for settings and then you can switch on auto translate and choose the language it's translated into

 

[electricbogaloo]

Well here it is, the lab test of the Avinox...

1. It's obviously stronger than the rest(on trail tests) with about 730W, only the TQ HPR 120 trumps it.

2. It didn't reach the stated 850W maximum, actually it never even got over 800W, not even in Boost mode

3. It didn't reach the stated 1000W maximum in Boost mode, just 780W, boost only adds cca 50W.

4. It shut down completely for several minutes after being under input load of 250W for the duration of 22min in turbo mode (my hunch is that this is to maintain the legal requirement for the average continuous power level of 250W at their power levels that's probably necessary. It was mentioned that it could also be that the battery was overheating as it's integrated and it always happened at a low SOC of 40%.

5. The battery percentage on screen was glitchy on this test bike, not true to real life, example on trail 17% dropping instantly in a few meters to 3%, or working under full power on the lab stand for several minutes with 0% displayed.

6. In the derating test it stayed relatively cool but the power jumped up/down alot, with some bigger spikes completely different to other motors that are mostly stable in power delivery(probably also has something to do with the 250W legal limit).

7. The consumption is extremely high, but expected for such power, in Turbo mode: 6,1 Wh/1km on flat terrain, 39,2Wh/1km on an 10% average incline.

8. Interesting the motor fadeout(power drop)begins at 21,5km/h and not at 25km/h as other brands.

9. On trail it was not possible to replicate the derating to shutdown, but the tester said it was to cool this time of year and not steep enough to really test that.

10. In comparison to the new Bosch, the tester says the Bosch could be even a tick more smooth than the avinox, but that they are very close and he was impressed with the system, although just like my opinion he stated that time will tell about reliability and support by the representative dealers or online...

Data can be found in the Velomotion Magazin yt video.

As I am checking out of this thread, just a final thought...after seeing the real numbers for the avinox power figures, a 15% difference is unacceptable and is basically just a simple lie...it just confirmes my recent personal experience with the slepping dragons "Cha bu duo" mindset.

Sounds like they damaged the battery by straining it too much or it has a bad cell.

 

[nrgbod]

Sounds like they damaged the battery by straining it too much or it has a bad cell.

That's exactly what I thought.
The regular sharp drops in power and unpredictable tail off in capacity suggest a cell or two is having problems or there is a high resistance/ loose connection somewhere.

 

[Amber Valley Guy]

I suspect the difference in power figures between what DJI state in their marketing and what velomotion found in their tests is just due to different ways of measuring, as per bengy22 comments. The absolute power numbers are sort of irrelevant though in the end, as its just the relative differences between each brand of motor that matters. Whats clear from people using the bike and the velomotion test is that the DJI motor is the most powerful.

Its probably like testing an internal combustion engine on a rolling road, you're never get the same figures comparing one rolling road to another.

As far as I'm aware, an electric 3 phase (AC) motor running from a DC source is around 80-85% efficient and so the battery draw is always 15-20% more than the actual output, whilst output at the crankshaft (not the chainring) is not easily measured. Back in the real world a 1000W motor would measure somewhere in the 800-850W output presuming no drivetrain losses (near impossible). And then there's battery sag....when the battery amperage draw cannot keep up with the motors demand (example a constant 30 amp) so again the power will drop off as the battery fails to meet the motors draw, the higher the expected draw (in amps) the more the battery sag becomes a problem over extended time.

 

[KnollyBro]

Seems to have done OK at Whistler Bike Park anyway........

Altho I have ridden my Levo SL on most trails at the Whistler Bike Park, I would not recommend taking a trail bike on most trails there let alone an emtb.

 

[Dax]

Altho I have ridden my Levo SL on most trails at the Whistler Bike Park, I would not recommend taking a trail bike on most trails there let alone an emtb.

Agree, but surely the message here is that the amflow survived, not that it’s a good choice for wbp?

 

[KnollyBro]

Agree, but surely the message here is that the amflow survived, not that it’s a good choice for wbp?

Well I should hope so for a bike that costs that much! I guess you could also add that if you ride an emtb with that much power at Whistler, it makes it look like the video is sped up! I have watched 100s of hours of WBP videos and have never seen anyone (well maybe Danny Hart) ride those trails that fast.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

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[Mikerb]

such pre-occupation with power levels when I dont remember any volume of comment from riders a bout existing motor performance ( all the latest motors being roughly the same) ...it has always been a bout the max assisted speed cut off and reliability/water and dust proofing.
At the same time a significant proportion of riders have shunned the full fat offerings in favour of low powered/smaller battery bikes.
Then a brand new player with no track record of Bike manufacture let alone EMTB manufacture hits the scene with ( apparently) significantly more power and many are convinced it is a watershed moment. For what I ask? Top assisted speed is the same ( region dependant) and for most climbs other than gradual gradients on fireroads etc, traction and control of the power delivery are the most important factors, and on any decent downhill gradient the motor is hardly used anyway......the bikes geo, weight balance, suspension kinematics all dominate.

Seems to me they may be too many victims of marketing speak these days!!

 

[TheSnowShark]

When you're old, you like to be carried higher than you actually can..

DJI is the little blue pill of emtb

 

[Amber Valley Guy]

One thing not mentioned is emtb motors are torque sensing (the harder you stomp, the more power you get), and on technical climbs hats off to anyone who can stomp like a T de F rider on the road up a technical climbs off-road. I've yet to see any emtb motor test that proves the quoted max torque or power is achieved constantly during say a 5 or 10 minute hard technical climbs, what I have seen in the videos from Rob, Sam, EMBN and the rest is the Amflow/DJI gives way more torque and power constantly. So maybe the magic is more on the way it utilises the torque sensing and not the quoted figures?

 

[Jeff McD]

such pre-occupation with power levels when I dont remember any volume of comment from riders a bout existing motor performance ( all the latest motors being roughly the same) ...it has always been a bout the max assisted speed cut off and reliability/water and dust proofing.
At the same time a significant proportion of riders have shunned the full fat offerings in favour of low powered/smaller battery bikes.
Then a brand new player with no track record of Bike manufacture let alone EMTB manufacture hits the scene with ( apparently) significantly more power and many are convinced it is a watershed moment. For what I ask? Top assisted speed is the same ( region dependant) and for most climbs other than gradual gradients on fireroads etc, traction and control of the power delivery are the most important factors, and on any decent downhill gradient the motor is hardly used anyway......the bikes geo, weight balance, suspension kinematics all dominate.

But, not one of the testers, Rob, Steve Clark, or any of the others stated that the increased motor power lead to the rear wheel breaking free on loose climbs. In fact they commented on how well it maintained traction even with a dissector tire.
Plus the fact that there are always some peddally sections on most downhills which is where I use the extra speed of turbo to catch up with the younger faster guys. If you learn to handle the extra speed by just using turbo 100% of the time, it becomes a real advantage. I don't think a lot of riders understand that you make mistakes in technical terrain far more often riding slowly in eco or trail than turbo once you get used to it. That's what happens to me when I slow down for the occasional acoustic rider.

 

[Jeff McD]

But, not one of the testers, Rob, Steve Clark, or any of the others stated that the increased motor power lead to the rear wheel breaking free on loose climbs. In fact they commented on how well it maintained traction even with a dissector tire.
Plus the fact that there are always some peddally sections on most downhills which is where I use the extra speed of turbo to catch up with the younger faster guys. If you learn to handle the extra speed by just using turbo 100% of the time, it becomes a real advantage. I don't think a lot of riders understand that you make mistakes in technical terrain far more often riding slowly in eco or trail than turbo once you get used to it. That's what happens to me when I slow down for the occasional acoustic rider.

 

[Mad_Angler1]

Hay folks new here but not to DJI.

This is one of my first posts for those who will notice but it's relevent as I have been around DJI since 2012.

For some context I have flown drones and even actually used to beta test for DJI and helped run their social groups in the early days. However this don't make me a "fanboy" and frankly there is a lot of bad I can and will say.

I'm just looking to get into EMTB and I was following the DJI Avinox launch really closely, in fact we thought it was was a new drone from the early leaks .

Anyhow it's going to be interesting to see how DJI get on however I come with some warnings. Initially I expected DJIs behavor to be outside the norm of the EMTB industry around service and support however having spent the week reading about Bosch and Shimano's games on parts and support and service actually I think DJI will fit right in.

However the warnings should be said nonetheless.

DJI as a company model them selves on Apple and over the years have transioned from being a components company to one that now sells solutions.

In the early days DJI's customer support was horrific as was their product reliability however today they are right up there with the likes of Apple and Sony for build quality but they still have some pretty bad practices.

For starters you wont get parts from DJI period. They do not list or sell spares and they refuses to sell parts to comsumers directly. They keep a very tight control on their dealers and only official service centers can get parts. They even make it hard to get replacement accessories at times. Things that should be available like fixings or antennas ect.

DJI also have a very fast development cycle and while it's slower today than in the past as they used to release new models every 6 months they are renowned for not supporting 1st/last gen products in the longer term. There are DJI drones you can't buy consumables for such as batteries for models that are only a few years old.

DJIs history is litterd with products that had some bad issues that were never fixed or promises that were never kept.

Also DJI don't admit to makimg mistakes or errors, release notes and software updates are often lacking any real detail and DJI are widly known for ignoring critical issues untill it really grabs media attention. They never admit to a fault even when it's a serious issue such as drones falling from the sky due to badly written firmware and when they do release updates they simply say "fixed some known bugs"

With regards to the new fray into ebikes this is actually right up their street technically however expect to see some typical behavor from them.

DJI usually start with a high end
product at the top of the market that's usually very feature rich but expensive.
DJI then use the income from sales of this from early adopters to fund the initial development and then a little later down the line release a more budget friendly model with 90% of the main features of the first one. This second product also often resolves the issues that inevitably come to light after the initial product release and early adopters are often left stranded.

DJIs products today are much more reliable than in the past however they often make silly mistakes or design choices that later come back to haunt them or the user.


There is a hell of a lot more I could say but that's just a insight to someone who has been around them very closely and used their products for years. They will come in with a bang and expect them to be splashing the cash to KOls and the media to get the message out. Also expect them to be offering people decent affiate income on bike sales as well to "encourage" positive reviews.

DJI are an apex predator in the industries they are in and when they join a new one they start to aim to take total dominance, they did it with drones, they have now basically done it with action cameras and it seems this is next.

What I will say is don't expect DJI to come in and shake things up with regards to how Bosch and others are behaving and in fact id go as far as to say they will be worse.

Super interesting times though.

Mad.

 

[Pyr0]

Can these frames fit a 36t chainring, or is 34 going to be the max?

Does anyone know if there's enough clearance for a larger chainring please?

 

[Jazzii]

Does anyone know if there's enough clearance for a larger chainring please?

In FAQs stated 32-36. I will go to 32 for better clearance on rocky tech sections. I run mullet.

 

[Jazzii]

Does anybody know what kind of tool is needed to remove chainring? For first look its similar to one I had on Rise, bur I did not try it yet. Thanks.

 

[electricbogaloo]

Agree, but surely the message here is that the amflow survived, not that it’s a good choice for wbp?

Hay folks new here but not to DJI.

This is one of my first posts for those who will notice but it's relevent as I have been around DJI since 2012.

For some context I have flown drones and even actually used to beta test for DJI and helped run their social groups in the early days. However this don't make me a "fanboy" and frankly there is a lot of bad I can and will say.

I'm just looking to get into EMTB and I was following the DJI Avinox launch really closely, in fact we thought it was was a new drone from the early leaks .

Anyhow it's going to be interesting to see how DJI get on however I come with some warnings. Initially I expected DJIs behavor to be outside the norm of the EMTB industry around service and support however having spent the week reading about Bosch and Shimano's games on parts and support and service actually I think DJI will fit right in.

However the warnings should be said nonetheless.

DJI as a company model them selves on Apple and over the years have transioned from being a components company to one that now sells solutions.

In the early days DJI's customer support was horrific as was their product reliability however today they are right up there with the likes of Apple and Sony for build quality but they still have some pretty bad practices.

For starters you wont get parts from DJI period. They do not list or sell spares and they refuses to sell parts to comsumers directly. They keep a very tight control on their dealers and only official service centers can get parts. They even make it hard to get replacement accessories at times. Things that should be available like fixings or antennas ect.

DJI also have a very fast development cycle and while it's slower today than in the past as they used to release new models every 6 months they are renowned for not supporting 1st/last gen products in the longer term. There are DJI drones you can't buy consumables for such as batteries for models that are only a few years old.

DJIs history is litterd with products that had some bad issues that were never fixed or promises that were never kept.

Also DJI don't admit to makimg mistakes or errors, release notes and software updates are often lacking any real detail and DJI are widly known for ignoring critical issues untill it really grabs media attention. They never admit to a fault even when it's a serious issue such as drones falling from the sky due to badly written firmware and when they do release updates they simply say "fixed some known bugs"

With regards to the new fray into ebikes this is actually right up their street technically however expect to see some typical behavor from them.

DJI usually start with a high end
product at the top of the market that's usually very feature rich but expensive.
DJI then use the income from sales of this from early adopters to fund the initial development and then a little later down the line release a more budget friendly model with 90% of the main features of the first one. This second product also often resolves the issues that inevitably come to light after the initial product release and early adopters are often left stranded.

DJIs products today are much more reliable than in the past however they often make silly mistakes or design choices that later come back to haunt them or the user.


There is a hell of a lot more I could say but that's just a insight to someone who has been around them very closely and used their products for years. They will come in with a bang and expect them to be splashing the cash to KOls and the media to get the message out. Also expect them to be offering people decent affiate income on bike sales as well to "encourage" positive reviews.

DJI are an apex predator in the industries they are in and when they join a new one they start to aim to take total dominance, they did it with drones, they have now basically done it with action cameras and it seems this is next.

What I will say is don't expect DJI to come in and shake things up with regards to how Bosch and others are behaving and in fact id go as far as to say they will be worse.

Super interesting times though.

Mad.

Yea, I've noticed many reviews lacked critical distance way more even if it were influencers. Like it came close to shilling the stuff openly.

Even worse than them doing the typical specialized, fox or Santa cruz review.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Also expect them to be offering people decent affiate income on bike sales as well to "encourage" positive reviews.

Interesting points. However to add some balance, I have never been offered affiliate incentive (or spoken to anyone in the media who has) been offered any kind of incentive or affiliate agreement to promote / sell these DJI bikes for any kind of kickback or commission on sales.

Cheers
Rob

 

[Tooks]

There’s also a pretty significant difference here compared to the drone world in that you’re not buying a DJI bike, merely a bike with a DJi motor/battery/power electronics setup.

Avinox offerings are not as vertically integrated as the drone and action cam market, DJI’s customers are the bike manufacturer and buyers contract/warranty will always be with the retailer/brand anyway rather than DJI themselves.

So, like any purchase costing thousands of £/$/€, especially EMTBs, I hope people will be choosing brands and retailers carefully.

I like the way the Avinox system has apparently disrupted the market a little and got the established players thinking about what their next motor/battery offering should look and perform like. It’s great to have another system to choose from, choice has been declining so good for that to be widening a little.

 

[Mad_Angler1]

Interesting points. However to add some balance, I have never been offered affiliate incentive (or spoken to anyone in the media who has) been offered any kind of incentive or affiliate agreement to promote and sell these DJI bikes.

Cheers
Rob

Chances are it's early days yet for this side of things and they don't really have enough products in the space, Also I'm not saying you are receiving anything my point is how DJI have and do behave. They are insanely aggressive once they decide to get into a market. And right now they are somewhat desperate.

On their the affiate side DJI used to allow anyone and everyone access to their affiliate scheme however in 2019 they cut it back to only key players who fitted theirs branding ideals. These channels generally only made content on DJIs products and not others or were very big channels who were more generalised. They basically owed a few channels who were exclusive DJI however they have moved away from that now.

And to be clear I actually have zero issues with sponsorship and affiliate links as we also do use them selectively however it must be disclosed. One of the big issues has always been that it's been hidden. It must be open and clear. I have always said where the product came from. Was it provided for free and if I get to keep it. The drone,3d printing and tech industry is littered with shady behavor sadly and at times it's been closed to impossible to dicern what's legitimate and what's not.


Just a note on my desperate comment I'm not sure do people fully understand why DJI today is dipping it toes into this world. DJI is expanding out into non drone related industries as quicky as it can as it's facing massive scrutiny in the USA, Australia and EU around security and it's links to the CCP.

DJI drones capture a lot of data and for years has faces a lot of criticism over their capturing of data and then the use of that data and where it's been stored. That includes flight logs and imagery from drones uploaded to DJI controlled servers.

Due to the concerns over China and DJI's links to the CCP there is a very real possibility they will be banned from sale in the USA in the next year. DJI is even facing issues right now importing products into the US as localised restrictions have been put in place already. DJI is the next Huawei.

This is why DJI is quicky trying to diversify into electric cars, ebikes, cameras and things like portable power stations. In many ways DJI is littley fighting for its existance right now.

I could absolutely be wrong on DJI using their usually playbook however Bambu Lab is a 3d printing company that has basically taken the industry by storm. Bambu not owned by DJI but is made up of some of DJIs former top staff and again the same playbook has been used to basically take over. However Bambu have behaved massively better with regards to customer service than DJI have but it's the same marketing ect.

Anyways sorry this morning distracting from the main subject.

 

[mehukatti]

Seems to have done OK at Whistler Bike Park anyway........

Good rider, but doesn't look smart to me... Unknown chinese carbon frame that is known to be optimized for low weight (ie. skimped on layup) that no-one would touch unless attached to this new motor being now ridden in proper bike park. I hope that people stay healthy and we don't see any catastrophic failures when these bikes become more common and people start casing jumps.

 

[Mad_Angler1]

There’s also a pretty significant difference here compared to the drone world in that you’re not buying a DJI bike, merely a bike with a DJi motor/battery/power electronics setup.

Avinox offerings are not as vertically integrated as the drone and action cam market, DJI’s customers are the bike manufacturer and buyers contract/warranty will always be with the retailer/brand anyway rather than DJI themselves.

So, like any purchase costing thousands of £/$/€, especially EMTBs, I hope people will be choosing brands and retailers carefully.

I like the way the Avinox system has apparently disrupted the market a little and got the established players thinking about what their next motor/battery offering should look and perform like. It’s great to have another system to choose from, choice has been declining so good for that to be widening a little.

You are correct but Have any other brands confirmed future bikes with the Avinox system or launched yet ?

What Iv seen so far is DJI go with a exclusive unknown brand that they basically own. It's as integrated as it can be right now.

You are correct on bikes not being as vertically integrated as drones yet however that's just a matter of time. Wait for the the AMFLOW V2 where they introduce their own front shocks ect.

The very real question will be is if this is the start of a big push from Chinese brands to appear into the space rather than the likes of just another motor supplier like Bosch.

There is no questions though they have rattled the likes of Bosch and others. They will all be concerned at a big Chinese brand coming in as they know how hard it can be to compete. Let's hope others forces the opening up of the systems more as I'm really disappointed how closed everything is under the guise of safety.

Anyway I will leave the politics there. Interested in what they have done technically different to everyone else now. Battery wise will be interesting as they don't usually use typical round cells and have pouches manufactured specifically for them.

 

[Tooks]

You are correct but Have any other brands confirmed future bikes with the Avinox system or launched yet ?

I don’t follow the EMTB industry as closely as I used to, I rely on Rob for that now (!), but I’ve not seen any. I’d never even heard of AMFLOW before Rob’s channel.

What Iv seen so far is DJI go with an exclusive unknown brand that they basically own. It's as integrated as it can be right now.

You are correct on bikes not being as vertically integrated as drones yet however that's just a matter of time. Wait for the the AMFLOW V2 where they introduce their own front shocks ect.

The good news is, we won’t have to buy into that if we don’t want to, there will still be Fox/SRAM etc, unless whatever AMFLOW introduced was the best thing since somebody decided a loaf would be better cut up into smaller bits!

The very real question will be is if this is the start of a big push from Chinese brands to appear into the space rather than the likes of just another motor supplier like Bosch.

I think for me, this is the real benefit, they’ve poked a couple of major players and are hopefully making them think about things. I work in the aviation sector, drones have been something I’ve mucked about with (along with lots of other RC stuff) since before DJI appeared, and I resisted trying one for a long time. I eventually took the plunge and got a DJI Mini 2, and that thing woke me up a bit. I do hear what you say about the DJI Inspire battery thing, a great camera drone hobbled by lack of replacement batteries. The only drone I have now is a Potensic, ironically a DJI Mini clone, I’m wary of the DJI ecosystem regarding drones for some reason.

There is no questions though they have rattled the likes of Bosch and others. They will all be concerned at a big Chinese brand coming in as they know how hard it can be to compete. Let's hope others forces the opening up of the systems more as I'm really disappointed how closed everything is under the guise of safety.

All that said, drones are a very different financial proposition versus an EMTB, and I’m sure like you this doesn’t mean that any of the systems will suddenly start opening up. Built in obsolescence is sadly a real thing across lots of brands, and I don’t think that will change, it’ll take somebody else to do that I think if it ever happens.

 

[Mad_Angler1]

I don’t follow the EMTB industry as closely as I used to, I rely on Rob for that now (!), but I’ve not seen any. I’d never even heard of AMFLOW before Rob’s channel.



The good news is, we won’t have to buy into that if we don’t want to, there will still be Fox/SRAM etc, unless whatever AMFLOW introduced was the best thing since somebody decided a loaf would be better cut up into smaller bits!



I think for me, this is the real benefit, they’ve poked a couple of major players and are hopefully making them think about things. I work in the aviation sector, drones have been something I’ve mucked about with (along with lots of other RC stuff) since before DJI appeared, and I resisted trying one for a long time. I eventually took the plunge and got a DJI Mini 2, and that thing woke me up a bit. I do hear what you say about the DJI Inspire battery thing, a great camera drone hobbled by lack of replacement batteries. The only drone I have now is a Potensic, ironically a DJI Mini clone, I’m wary of the DJI ecosystem regarding drones for some reason.



All that said, drones are a very different financial proposition versus an EMTB, and I’m sure like you this doesn’t mean that any of the systems will suddenly start opening up. Built in obsolescence is sadly a real thing across lots of brands, and I don’t think that will change, it’ll take somebody else to do that I think if it ever happens.

When you say drones are a very different financial proposition don't get hooked into thinking everything is a few hundred quid. The basic cheap consumers models are sub £500 but anythingneven starting to be decent is over £1k and DJI's higher end models in the consumer space are £3-4K and pro models £10k upwards.

Getting into FPV or general drones in a good way will set you back 3-4k so it's very comparible money.

I probably spend upwards of 6k a year on just hardware in this hobby.

 

[Tooks]

When you say drones are a very different financial proposition don't get hooked into thinking everything is a few hundred quid. The basic cheap consumers models are sub £500 but anythingneven starting to be decent is over £1k and DJI's higher end models in the consumer space are £3-4K and pro models £10k upwards.

Getting into FPV or general drones in a good way will set you back 3-4k so it's very comparible money.

I probably spend upwards of 6k a year on just hardware in this hobby.

Agreed you can spend large sums, I used to be responsible for police aviation/drone purchases in a previous role, but we’re talking Enterprise/Pro setups usable in all weathers with very high wind limits, and long endurance.

Most consumers are buying consumer drones, unless they’re down the rabbit hole as far as you are, a consumer EMTB is still many times more expensive than a consumer drone so people will usually be a bit more thoughtful regarding the purchase and weighing up all the issues you raise.

I can afford to lose a few hundred on a drone if it becomes unsupported, a few £k on an EMTB not so much so in that sense it’s a much more considered purchase and I will be buying from somewhere that will support me and my contract will be with them and not DJI.

 

[Astro66]

For starters you wont get parts from DJI period. They do not list or sell spares and they refuses to sell parts to comsumers directly. They keep a very tight control on their dealers and only official service centers can get parts.

I've had a great relationship with Camden Cycles in Sydney Australia, who are a Amflow dealer. They have been nothing but exemplary with looking after bikes I have bought from them. I would expect the Amflow to be no different.

They are a Specialised and Giant dealer. I bought a Giant Talon from them. I would be extremely surprised if they would take on the Amflow dealership, if there was any chance of tarnishing their very good reputation

I have been in to talk to them about the Amflow, and they have only good things to say about the information coming out of DJI.

So whilst I appreciate your drone experience and joining this forum today to express your drone experience. Once again I will defer to the people I trust in the EMTB world. Which is people like Rob and other reputable long standing EMTB journo's. And also my local bike store like Camden Cycles, who have earned my trust through nearly 50 years of servicing the local bike industry.

That said. If you get some experience with the Amflow bike. I would love to hear it.

Oh BTW. The boys at Camden Cycles tell me the Amflow PL Carbon Pro 800wh is currently their best selling EMTB. With the other 2 Amflow variations coming in second and third. So I guess we'll find out quite quickly how Amflow perform as an EMTB manufacturer.

 

[Mad_Angler1]

I've had a great relationship with Camden Cycles in Sydney Australia, who are a Amflow dealer. They have been nothing but exemplary with looking after bikes I have bought from them. I would expect the Amflow to be no different.

They are a Specialised and Giant dealer. I bought a Giant Talon from them. I would be extremely surprised if they would take on the Amflow dealership, if there was any chance of tarnishing their very good reputation

I have been in to talk to them about the Amflow, and they have only good things to say about the information coming out of DJI.

So whilst I appreciate your drone experience and joining this forum today to express your drone experience. Once again I will defer to the people I trust in the EMTB world. Which is people like Rob and other reputable long standing EMTB journo's. And also my local bike store like Camden Cycles, who have earned my trust through nearly 50 years of servicing the local bike industry.

That said. If you get some experience with the Amflow bike. I would love to hear it.

100% and honesty it will take years and I mean years before all this really starts to play out. The advise is free and it's an insight people in this industry won't have. I actually worked closely with them for a number of years as I actually setup a number of their Facebook groups. These days I just run my own channel as a hobby and provide info and technical information and analysis on many of their drones and camera products as well as using them.

The overall truth is actually I really like DJI products overall but I also do not shy away from calling out their nonsense and there is plenty of it. But it's still generally my product of choice. DJI do out the box and just works better than most. Till it don't anyways.

Today everyone is excited on what they bring. It's a "new" company for dealers to work with and frankly DJI will be throwing around a lot of money and be bending over backwards to get people and dealers onboard. That money won't nessesarly be cash either but things like free action cameras to go with bike reviews ect so you get the best footage on course. DJI is an absolute master at marketing so expect to see things like reviews made on the AMFLOW filmed on DJI cameras and shows DJI drones ect. It's all about the ecosystem. Hell they will probably start to throw in free DJI Action on some modules with tight integration.

My overall point is don't be sucked into all the marketing hype and all shiny stuff and what I have always said and has been proven time and time again with DJI is look for the information, the specs or the bits they don't talk about as that's generally where things get interesting.

The statement the devil is in the detail has never been truer than with DJI.

As for the AMFLOW tbh if it was under 5K I would be seriously tempted. IV set my budget at £4k for a bike and I'm really trying not to to go over that. I bought my first new motorbike for not much more than that many years ago lol.

However if the basic model was close to the 4k mark I would go in 100%.

One positive is I don't see DJI pulling this having to take your bike to a dealer for firmware updates like Shimano. Expect an App, probably called DJI Ride or something like that and it will just do it for you. After you have activated the bike first of course as DJI will want all your data first

Hopefully we will start to see the Avinox appear in more established brands and that will help things. If DJI stick withctight control over the bike it's self I expect to see the same old behavor. If they do actually become a system supplier things actually may go differently. Only time will tell.