Levo Gen 2 Charger 2.1 upgrade on a Lyrik Select

James_C

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So, I sent my fork in for warranty, and received it back with a nice shiny charger 2.1 with the HSC/LSC settings.

Still early days and I am fiddling with settings still, but I can already feel the difference. It's much less harsh and feels generally more controlled. Really inspires pushing on harder.

question - does anyone know if Rockshox warranty repair upgrade the air side at the same time? which I think if I changed the seals to SKF makes it into a lyrik ultimate from what I've read? I think its this kit: 2021 C1 Debonair Air Spring DIY Upgrade Kit Pike, Yari, Lyrik
 
mtbchris

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That's so dope! It is day and night compared to the regular Charger. I upgraded to the Charger 2.1 and then Push HC97 and its been butter.
 
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mtbchris said:
That's so dope! It is day and night compared to the regular Charger. I upgraded to the Charger 2.1 and then Push HC97 and its been butter.
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So to understand, you started with Charger 2, then swapped in 2.1 and saw improvement...but then went from 2.1 to Push HC97 and saw even more improvement? Do I understand your upgrade sequence correctly?

Do you need any 2.1 components to get to the HC97 upgrade or can you just get there using the Charger 2?
 
mtbchris

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kombos said:
So to understand, you started with Charger 2, then swapped in 2.1 and saw improvement...but then went from 2.1 to Push HC97 and saw even more improvement? Do I understand your upgrade sequence correctly?

Do you need any 2.1 components to get to the HC97 upgrade or can you just get there using the Charger 2?
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That's correct. But it was the RCT3 with LSC and Open/Pedal/Firm positioning. The HC97 gave me HSC along with LCS and rebound of course. If you plan on going with the HC97 then it doesn't matter what what type of Charger it is as long its Charger 2 or Charger 2.1, it will work for all of them.
 
kombos

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mtbchris said:
That's correct. But it was the RCT3 with LSC and Open/Pedal/Firm positioning. The HC97 gave me HSC along with LCS and rebound of course. If you plan on going with the HC97 then it doesn't matter what what type of Charger it is as long its Charger 2 or Charger 2.1, it will work for all of them.
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Thanks. Interesting. I have a 2020 Lyric Select that I added the 2021 Debonair kit to and also went from 150 to 160mm.
Nice improvement. Next, I was considering swapping to the Charger 2.1, but it sounds like HC97 might be a better way to go....
 

Dirk74

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kombos said:
Thanks. Interesting. I have a 2020 Lyric Select that I added the 2021 Debonair kit to and also went from 150 to 160mm.
Nice improvement. Next, I was considering swapping to the Charger 2.1, but it sounds like HC97 might be a better way to go....
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Probably not
mtbchris said:
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If you plan on going with the HC97 then it doesn't matter what what type of Charger it is as long its Charger 2 or Charger 2.1, it will work for all of them.
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The Lyrik Select has a Charger damper (with IFP) that is different from Charger 2 or Charger 2.1.
 
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James_C said:
So, I sent my fork in for warranty, and received it back with a nice shiny charger 2.1 with the HSC/LSC settings.

Still early days and I am fiddling with settings still, but I can already feel the difference. It's much less harsh and feels generally more controlled. Really inspires pushing on harder.

question - does anyone know if Rockshox warranty repair upgrade the air side at the same time? which I think if I changed the seals to SKF makes it into a lyrik ultimate from what I've read? I think its this kit: 2021 C1 Debonair Air Spring DIY Upgrade Kit Pike, Yari, Lyrik
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A month or so I had the Rock Shot Select charger (2020 Levo Comp) replaced under warranty. The replacement was the RCT3 version rather than the top line one you got but I'm still happy. It's a huge improvement over my defective one. ;)
 
James_C

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one curious thing is, what guidance for settings do we now use? I have half a lyrik, and half a lyrik ultimate from what I can make out...
 
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Thanks @kombos for the info.
Can anyone confirm that is 'right' one for a 2020 Lyric Debonair?. I still don't understand the nomenclature .
 

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James_C said:
So, I sent my fork in for warranty, and received it back with a nice shiny charger 2.1 with the HSC/LSC settings.

Still early days and I am fiddling with settings still, but I can already feel the difference. It's much less harsh and feels generally more controlled. Really inspires pushing on harder.

question - does anyone know if Rockshox warranty repair upgrade the air side at the same time? which I think if I changed the seals to SKF makes it into a lyrik ultimate from what I've read? I think its this kit: 2021 C1 Debonair Air Spring DIY Upgrade Kit Pike, Yari, Lyrik
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Sorry Guys i did the same with my Lyric select.They replaced with rct3 on warranty.Idid upgrade with the air spring to 160mm but not the 2021 version (2021 C1 Debonair Air Spring DIY Upgrade Kit Pike, Yari, Lyrik) but the 2020 one.What you think about the different from 2021 to 2020 is so big to justify to replace again? thanks guys.
 
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What were the symptoms of a faulty charger that needed a warranty replacement? Asking cus mine don't feel good and never has even with lots of tweaking.
 
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Bike said:
Sorry Guys i did the same with my Lyric select.They replaced with rct3 on warranty.Idid upgrade with the air spring to 160mm but not the 2021 version (2021 C1 Debonair Air Spring DIY Upgrade Kit Pike, Yari, Lyrik) but the 2020 one.What you think about the different from 2021 to 2020 is so big to justify to replace again? thanks guys.
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You can just buy the piston and nut about 20 whatevers and find out for yourself but reports are good and I have one on order.
 
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Bumpy said:
What were the symptoms of a faulty charger that needed a warranty replacement? Asking cus mine don't feel good and never has even with lots of tweaking.
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In my case the rebound and low speed compression adjustments did nothing. It was always like the rebound was fully open and compression was fully closed no matter what the settings were. The LBS removed the charger and said it didn’t work normally on the bench.
 
James_C

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Bumpy said:
What were the symptoms of a faulty charger that needed a warranty replacement? Asking cus mine don't feel good and never has even with lots of tweaking.
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for me, lots of rattling that was getting louder.

I was never overjoyed with how the lyrik performed. I added a token which helped with bottoming out. I did a lowers service which improved sensitivity. The 2.1 has taken it to the next level though. Less vibration in the hands for a start.
 

James_C

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I’ve upgraded the air side now, pumped up to the usual 93psi. I notice that the sag is now a lot lower with the same initial pressure, I’m seeing about 15% whereas I’m expecting about 25%... is this usual with this upgrade? Is this implying I should run less sag % or lower the pressure to get it down to 25% ish sag?
 
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James_C said:
I’ve upgraded the air side now, pumped up to the usual 93psi. I notice that the sag is now a lot lower with the same initial pressure, I’m seeing about 15% whereas I’m expecting about 25%... is this usual with this upgrade? Is this implying I should run less sag % or lower the pressure to get it down to 25% ish sag?
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If it includes the new seal head upgrade, you have to decrease pressure. At least I did it to get same sag and sensitivity.
 
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