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Anyone received their Speedbox 1.2B (Bosch rim magnet version) yet?

dlowe

New Member
Sep 25, 2023
6
1
Australia
They updated the app to v2.16, now it works fine
yep, 100% connecting fine over bluetooth.
Now just to figure out where to place the magnet simulator without a kiox display to confirm connectivity. Trial and error time

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Tried the flow app, and I can't get a reading above zero.
 
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FlobossX

New Member
Jan 30, 2024
7
9
West Virginia
yep, 100% connecting fine over bluetooth.
Now just to figure out where to place the magnet simulator without a kiox display to confirm connectivity. Trial and error time

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Tried the flow app, and I can't get a reading above zero.
When I initially installed mine, I had some issues getting a reading on the flow app. Speed wouldn’t register on the flow side to be more specific. It was fine on the SpeedBox app however. Ended up unplugging connections and reconnecting, the flow app started registering speed. Pretty sure the connection was fine, but potentially could have been a loose connection. Or maybe the reconnection did something.
 

E Bob

Well-known member
Feb 15, 2021
360
359
torfaen
yep, 100% connecting fine over bluetooth.
Now just to figure out where to place the magnet simulator without a kiox display to confirm connectivity. Trial and error time

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Tried the flow app, and I can't get a reading above zero.
Yes mine connects too, I know some were placing in the centre so over the join, but i didnt have room so put mine up against the centre on the right hand side, directly above the crank
 

E Bob

Well-known member
Feb 15, 2021
360
359
torfaen
I got my 1.2b last week for my pathlite ON 5.

I rode for about an hour with max speed set to 35kph and activated tuning in the app before the ride. Let the bike turn itself off after the ride to allow for countdown, charged, turned it back on to ride again and got an error.

My magnet sensor isn’t on the crank side or on the seam. Perhaps that’s the issue?

Limp mode for 20 miles in the cold rain isn’t much fun.

View attachment 134104
Where did you locate the sensor ? Did you change wheel size ?
 

megabobra

Active member
Jul 24, 2022
263
267
Australia
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I got my 1.2b last week for my pathlite ON 5.

I rode for about an hour with max speed set to 35kph and activated tuning in the app before the ride. Let the bike turn itself off after the ride to allow for countdown, charged, turned it back on to ride again and got an error.

My magnet sensor isn’t on the crank side or on the seam. Perhaps that’s the issue?

Limp mode for 20 miles in the cold rain isn’t much fun.

View attachment 134104

Ouchhhh that's the worst possible error to receive from a 400Euro product!
 

FlobossX

New Member
Jan 30, 2024
7
9
West Virginia
Got a “Error 63000c” yesterday. “The switch of your battery is being pressed continuously” I can’t 100% say I know it’s from the speed box, but this bike has less than 40 miles on it. The Bosch system seemed to be in a continuous state of reset. Motor would not propel the bike… Tried multiple resets, pulled out the system controller, tried to see if something was sticking there. Pulled out the speed box, re assembled. Problem still persisted.
Ended up reaching up in the frame and unplugging the battery for about an hour, (short duration resets weren’t working) then reassembled. The error code went away after this. Plugged the speed box back in, went through the setup process., this time the flow app wouldn’t pick up the speed. Mph stayed at zero. Had this same problem when I initially installed, but remedied with unplugging the connectors on the speed box and reconnecting. No matter what I did this time, I couldn’t get the speed to register on the flow app. (Speed registered on speedbox app)

Currently the speed box is removed and everything on the Bosch side is working again. Again I’m not saying 100% the speedbox caused the issue, but wanted to put this out there in case someone else runs into this.
 

davosaurusrex

E*POWAH Master
Apr 21, 2018
619
366
Worthing
Seen a post on Orbea group in FB listing the parts for conversion to a rotor magnet, orbea are authorising Bosch dealers to change the software for a mullet setup. That and a standard Volspeed sounds like a cheaper and more reliable option
 

Karlos Fandango

New Member
Feb 6, 2024
1
0
UK
Fitted mine the other day but app wouldn’t work and rim magnet simulator wouldn’t detect signal.

Got it working today but as soon as I go over standard speed limiter it throws a speed sensor error. I’ve tried it loads of times this afternoon always the same problem.

I’ll give e-bike tuner 1 more chance to sort it failing that it’s going back for a refund.

Wasted 4 hours of my life so far I ain’t wasting much more.
 

dlowe

New Member
Sep 25, 2023
6
1
Australia
Mine has now been removed too. Kept receiving alerts for speed sensor/magnet missing.
Couldn't get the flow app to register speed.
Speedbox app would show speed.
To activate (without a kiox) I would press ---+++. No idea if it actually activates or not..... then, try - then it cuts out and turns orange.

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FRANK56

Member
Nov 5, 2023
14
7
Sardegna, Italia
I’ve decided to return it and sell my bike. I’ll be buying a Yamaha powered ebike and a volspeed I think.
What software version do you have in your engine? It could be that your speedbox is not updated to the latest software version. However it is a terrible product, not worth the money it costs
 

JP-NZ

E*POWAH Elite
Feb 17, 2022
1,200
914
Christchurch - New Zealand
WOW, that 524001 error is crazy. I think we all knew Bosch could detect derestricting but to actually have codes for manipulation...

With the latest smart system firmware out this week, I'm sure these de-restricting companies like speedbox will never be able to stay ahead for long.
 

arTNC

Member
Feb 1, 2024
240
281
Texas
I hate hearing these horror stories about tuning devices being defeated by some smartass in IT back at the company HQ...LOL! This morning I'm installing a VOLspeed-4 on my Gen 2 Trek Rail. Obviously it's not the Smart system, so hopefully I won't have issues. VOLspeed tells you their product won't work on the Smart system...maybe they know something...or not. I hope Speedbox can get it worked out, but Bosch in particular seems somewhat bent on defeating these devices. I hate my Rail starting to die as I approach 16 mph. I mean, c'mon.:mad:
 

arTNC

Member
Feb 1, 2024
240
281
Texas
I rode my gen 2 Rail 7 today with the new VOLspeed-4 installed, and it was perfect. I set the speed to 25mph point something, and it did just what I wanted it to do. I wasn't sure how the "dynamic mode" stuff would work out, but it was a really smooth transition from no pedal to off pedal power delivery on our fairly challenging trail. What I loved about the tuning element was that it didn't introduce some crazy speed or overrun issues in the operation of the unit. I think VOLspeed knows you can only go so far with the manipulation of the Bosch motor before you start getting error codes. So, at this point I'm totally stoked on this device.
 

Mike72

New Member
Feb 6, 2024
3
2
Vosselaar
I bought the fucking bike through leasing, so 2 more years with a shit 25km/h bike i cant derestrict atm.
I will never ever buy a bosch again. Someone should just make a circuit board for it and run the hardware from that, get lost with the original board. must be possible i think. i dont need all that fancy smart shit. i just need 35 km/h
 

davosaurusrex

E*POWAH Master
Apr 21, 2018
619
366
Worthing
See my post above about getting a rotor magnet and getting a dealer to change the software to run a mullet setup. Then you can get a Volspeed chip
 

arTNC

Member
Feb 1, 2024
240
281
Texas
See my post above about getting a rotor magnet and getting a dealer to change the software to run a mullet setup. Then you can get a Volspeed chip
Now that's interesting. If that works that would be pretty cool. Also OP, what about the option in this link that sounds like it supposedly is able to fool the Smart System with this device? No, I don't know all the details about it, but if it can fool the software without going into the motor, it sounds logical. Anyone out there who can confirm or refute anything about this device?

 

Muff1tt

Member
Jun 10, 2022
4
3
Wakefield
Seen a post on Orbea group in FB listing the parts for conversion to a rotor magnet, orbea are authorising Bosch dealers to change the software for a mullet setup. That and a standard Volspeed sounds like a cheaper and more reliable option
It's my post. Here's the link below, can also confirm now running peartune mso and no errors

 

DOMBUSH

Member
Aug 10, 2020
56
15
Cambridge
What chance do you think of getting a non-Orbea motor software updated. With my rim-magnet Canyon, I feel like I've bought the wrong bike.

Interested to hear from even more people about their Speedbox 1.2B experience.
 

cozzy

E*POWAH Elite
Subscriber
Aug 11, 2019
934
1,044
Hampshire UK
What chance do you think of getting a non-Orbea motor software updated. With my rim-magnet Canyon, I feel like I've bought the wrong bike.

Interested to hear from even more people about their Speedbox 1.2B experience.
You can only try the process. Start with a competent Bosch dealer. It's down to canyon as to whether they approve the change or not.
 

DOMBUSH

Member
Aug 10, 2020
56
15
Cambridge
do you deristrict it atm ?
No, waiting to see how others have got on with the speedbox and if Volspeed bring something out. £400 for the speedbox 1.2b seems a big risk. I wish i knew how to get the firmware changed to a "non rim magnet" setup.
 

DOMBUSH

Member
Aug 10, 2020
56
15
Cambridge
Received my Speedbox 1.2 today.

Spent approx. 2 hours fitting it to my Canyon Strive:On, but getting error 523003 (speed sensor not working correctly)after trying 3 different signal generator positions. This involved repeatedly taking the motor out of the frame.

I suspect that the positioning "sweet spot" for the signal generator is so sensitive that its going to take a couple more hours of moving it around. What isn't helping is that the Strive:eek:n has no display, so you cant spin the wheel and look for a response on the display.

I ran out of patience and will have another go tomorrow, after that will speak to Speedbox help.

Comments to speed box would be:-
  • Consider configurations of Bosch installation that don't have a display.
  • My bike has a GPS unit fitted, there is no reference to if this is compatible with the speed box (although the cables / connectors did fit)
  • The pictures suggesting the installation position of the signal generator are poor and could be clearer and consider that the Bosch motor is fitted in a number of frames and orientations. This would avoid so much experimenting.
 

Mh3000123

New Member
Apr 20, 2024
2
0
Finland
Received my Speedbox 1.2 today.

Spent approx. 2 hours fitting it to my Canyon Strive:On, but getting error 523003 (speed sensor not working correctly)after trying 3 different signal generator positions. This involved repeatedly taking the motor out of the frame.

I suspect that the positioning "sweet spot" for the signal generator is so sensitive that its going to take a couple more hours of moving it around. What isn't helping is that the Strive:eek:n has no display, so you cant spin the wheel and look for a response on the display.

I ran out of patience and will have another go tomorrow, after that will speak to Speedbox help.

Comments to speed box would be:-
  • Consider configurations of Bosch installation that don't have a display.
  • My bike has a GPS unit fitted, there is no reference to if this is compatible with the speed box (although the cables / connectors did fit)
  • The pictures suggesting the installation position of the signal generator are poor and could be clearer and consider that the Bosch motor is fitted in a number of frames and orientations. This would avoid so much experimenting.
Did you get that work? I havent got any speed signal for my strive. They said from speedbox that speed should be seen via flow app, atleast im not getting any indication that tuning would be on
 

DOMBUSH

Member
Aug 10, 2020
56
15
Cambridge
Did you get that work? I havent got any speed signal for my strive. They said from speedbox that speed should be seen via flow app, atleast im not getting any indication that tuning would be on
I didn't get it to work unfortunately, i ended up with the motor unbolted with the motor half way out of the frame, trying different positions like a doctor with a stethoscope. I found 2 positions that gave a speed signal but 30 secs to 2 minutes riding gave the speed sensor error. Although it wasn't the reason i couldnt get a speed signal, the simulator fouled the inside of the frame too.

all-in-all.... dang!!
 

Philipp

New Member
May 29, 2024
1
0
Deutschland
Hey all,
it seems like there is a new version of the bosch speedbox 1.2 B:
On the speedbox shop page is standing:
"Bosch Smart System Software version 11.13.0 causes incompatibility with the products ordered before 05/2024."

Have anyone tryed out the new version? Was there only a SW update or also different HW?
 

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