22 Gen 3 Levo - The cleaned posts.

[Frirish]

Price is a price, but in essence new levo is just a new frame. There would be lots of people willing to buy just the new frame and move motor and the rest of the stuff from the old one. Great idea, but it will never happened.

As far as I know, they only sale the S-Works frame and not the "basic" frames.
Agree, I would be interested in a frame only option (aluminium preferably)

And it's not just a new frame - Shock is a huge upgrade, and Magura breaks! TCU is class too

 

[Zimmerframe]

As for hardware why they make new TCU backward compatible and not willing to sell it separately?

Following on from @Norange's reasons, there's also a massive global semi conductor shortage, so they may only be able to get enough to make the ones for new bikes. Apple had to delay the 12 due to shortages, Samsung have said they'll be delaying their launches due to shortages and they sell $56 BILLION dollars worth a year and use $36 BILLION dollars worth themselves. Can companies are even putting production on hold due to shortages. So it's most likely that they're not being difficult, it's just logistics. I'm sure they'd love to sell 100,000 TCU2's and make $100 profit on each one.. Who wouldn't want to make money off your existing user base.

 

[Hob Nob]

Explain to me why everyone is losing their minds about a $500 US price increase in the SWorks level bikes? I didn't see 500 comments on the price of the previous generation being $14,500 US., but maybe I just missed them. The SWorks has gone from $14.5K to $15K and you are getting a more expensive rear shock, improved TCU and updated motor.

For people saying you can get the same bike for less money from other companies, really? Show me another company that has spent as much on R&D as Specialized? Santa Cruz? Nope, bolted up a standard Shimano setup. Trek? Nope, off the shelf stuff. YT? That is a joke right? EVERY other bike company is just using the same motor/battery setups from the same two or three companies. There is a significant difference in power delivery and efficiency with the Brose/Spec setup vs Shimano and others. Just yesterday one of my friends got 8K of vertical from a single charge on the 700 wHr Specialized setup. The most we have seen from a 630 wHr Shimano setup is 4K.

For the people saying that the new Levo is similar to the previous gen, it is not. The new geometry makes the bike ride completely different. I have a Stumpjumper Evo and swapped my previous gen Levo for a Kenevo specifically because the bikes rode so differently. The new setup brings the Levo solidly to the front of the pack in geometry/flexibility and even the suspension kinematics are improved.

I get that the aluminum bikes are not available yet so early adopters are going to be paying big money. Current supply chain problems suck. I am sure that Specialized would love to have the full model range available today to take advantage of the hype cycle. Unfortunately parts are simply not available, but I have no doubt that the lower priced bikes are coming and they will be just as amazing when they are released. For now we should be excited that companies continue to push the envelope of performance and flexibility by releasing new stuff.

Whilst I actually agree with you on the pricing point, the halo stuff is always going to be eye wateringly expensive, lets see what happens with the rest of the range.

Regarding the whole thing with R&D - perhaps they should have spent a bit more, given the extraordinary levels of motor failures they have been through. It's unheard of for a manufacturer to retrospectively double a warranty period due to the number of failures they have had.

I'll be patiently waiting for the Expert or metal models to come out, as I quite like the idea of a motorized version of my '21 Stumpy Evo. But not for £10+k.

 

[Stayrudee]

Whilst I actually agree with you on the pricing point, the halo stuff is always going to be eye wateringly expensive, lets see what happens with the rest of the range.

Regarding the whole thing with R&D - perhaps they should have spent a bit more, given the extraordinary levels of motor failures they have been through. It's unheard of for a manufacturer to retrospectively double a warranty period due to the number of failures they have had.

I'll be patiently waiting for the Expert or metal models to come out, as I quite like the idea of a motorized version of my '21 Stumpy Evo. But not for £10+k.

They only showed the most expensive models so that's why everyone is judging their price. If the alloy comp was released everybody would talk about it as it is the best bang for the buck.

 

[Bencab]

I have searched high and low!! will the battery on the new bike fit the previous generation? so I can still use my bike for years to come.
Could of scrolled through 17 pages but I get bored real quick

see post #79.

 

[Doomanic]

can we move on to the other most discussed topic with Levo's, which coil shock will fit where can I get the biggest discount?

FTFY

can we move on to the other most discussed topic with Levo's, which coil shock will fit how do I derestrict it?

FTFY

can we move on to the other most discussed topic with Levo's, which coil shock will fit why is my motor making a squealing noise?

FTFY

Take your pick.

 

[Zimmerframe]

can we move on to the other most discussed topic with Levo's, which coil shock will fit why is my motor making a squealing noise?

Doesn't that lead to the usual Levo conversation ...

Did you Jet wash it ?

No .. but I do use the dental high pressure water jet from work ...

 

[Bearman]

First, they need to sort their Brose motors out. Ive on my 5th motor on my 2020 Levo S-works.
If it was not for the 4 year waranty plan and the massive hike in prices Id hand it in an demand my money back.
Why dont Rob and the other Ebike you tubers ever mention the amount of trouble people have had with the Brose engine?

When you pay over 10 000 pounds for a bike, you would expect it to have a motor that can handle mountain trails.

 

[knut7]

So can it be done the other way to get that fancy waterproofing for a gen2?

I never looked into that. If it's possible then it's probably quite a bit of work. You need to swap the power cable running from the motor. I assume that involves soldering. And you'd possibly have to change the entire motor housing. But I really don't know, and I haven't got the bike to look closer.

 

[Stayrudee]

I never looked into that. If it's possible then it's probably quite a bit of work. You need to swap the power cable running from the motor. I assume that involves soldering. And you'd possibly have to change the entire motor housing. But I really don't know, and I haven't got the bike to look closer.

No soldering just change the harnes. Plug and play. Should work.

 

[Steyoner]

Anyone know the colour of the frame only option?

And the Expert? Seen this dark red colour, but the Expert usually has two options and presume there's an alternative?


Also, be interesting to see if there's a comp carbon option down the track to bring the price point down.

from what i have heard 2 more options will be available, in may and near end july +/-

 

[R120]

First, they need to sort their Brose motors out. Ive on my 5th motor on my 2020 Levo S-works.
If it was not for the 4 year waranty plan and the massive hike in prices Id hand it in an demand my money back.
Why dont Rob and the other Ebike you tubers ever mention the amount of trouble people have had with the Brose engine?

When you pay over 10 000 pounds for a bike, you would expect it to have a motor that can handle mountain trails.

To be fair to Rob he did a very in depth video with Berkshire cycles last year where they went into all the issues with the Brose, what can be done to try and avoid them and sort them.

He also had one of the main guys from Specilized on the live stream a while back and they went into the motor issues too with them, and Brose motor issues are regular topics on the Live Stream.

 

[Banktramp]

There's a little secret many EMTBers don't know about. On the left handlebar there's a little lever you can push with your thumb. A lot of people try this when they're standing next to the bike and nothing happens so they presume it does nothing.

It's a bit like BMW drivers with indicator stalks, some owners catch them accidentally and weird things happen that they don't understand. Fortunately for BMW drivers this is normally automatically rectified by the car next time they come to a corner and the weird flashing lights and annoying rhythmic clicking sounds stop.

For EMTBers it's normally rectified the next time they catch it accidentally, which results in being punched in the nether regions and due to the pain, they have no recollection of what happened.

Mercedes AMG is the new BMW driver ?

 

[Gabypb]

Hi, I was thrilled to learn that there were going to be S1 (XS) sizes for the new Gen3 Levo, but I don't see that size option on the Specialized US online shop. Does anyone know what's the deal with this?

 

[Coolcmsc]

To be fair to Rob he did a very in depth video with Berkshire cycles last year where they went into all the issues with the Brose, what can be done to try and avoid them and sort them.

He also had one of the main guys from Specilized on the live stream a while back and they went into the motor issues too with them, and Brose motor issues are regular topics on the Live Stream.

I think this is a fair summary. And I say that as one of those who had a full refund for all the electrical malarkey at 14 months of a 2020. And, FYI, it was my LBS who suggested that solution first ??????

 

[thecremeegg]

Explain to me why everyone is losing their minds about a $500 US price increase in the SWorks level bikes? I didn't see 500 comments on the price of the previous generation being $14,500 US., but maybe I just missed them. The SWorks has gone from $14.5K to $15K and you are getting a more expensive rear shock, improved TCU and updated motor.

For people saying you can get the same bike for less money from other companies, really? Show me another company that has spent as much on R&D as Specialized? Santa Cruz? Nope, bolted up a standard Shimano setup. Trek? Nope, off the shelf stuff. YT? That is a joke right? EVERY other bike company is just using the same motor/battery setups from the same two or three companies. There is a significant difference in power delivery and efficiency with the Brose/Spec setup vs Shimano and others. Just yesterday one of my friends got 8K of vertical from a single charge on the 700 wHr Specialized setup. The most we have seen from a 630 wHr Shimano setup is 4K.

For the people saying that the new Levo is similar to the previous gen, it is not. The new geometry makes the bike ride completely different. I have a Stumpjumper Evo and swapped my previous gen Levo for a Kenevo specifically because the bikes rode so differently. The new setup brings the Levo solidly to the front of the pack in geometry/flexibility and even the suspension kinematics are improved.

I get that the aluminum bikes are not available yet so early adopters are going to be paying big money. Current supply chain problems suck. I am sure that Specialized would love to have the full model range available today to take advantage of the hype cycle. Unfortunately parts are simply not available, but I have no doubt that the lower priced bikes are coming and they will be just as amazing when they are released. For now we should be excited that companies continue to push the envelope of performance and flexibility by releasing new stuff.

Are you a Specialized shill like everyone on youtube? People are not "losing their minds", just merely expressing the quite correct outrage that an electric bike is the price as a Vauxhall Corsa....what are you getting for your money exactly?

 

[Coolcmsc]

There's a little secret many EMTBers don't know about. On the left handlebar there's a little lever you can push with your thumb. A lot of people try this when they're standing next to the bike and nothing happens so they presume it does nothing.

It's a bit like BMW drivers with indicator stalks, some owners catch them accidentally and weird things happen that they don't understand. Fortunately for BMW drivers this is normally automatically rectified by the car next time they come to a corner and the weird flashing lights and annoying rhythmic clicking sounds stop.

For EMTBers it's normally rectified the next time they catch it accidentally, which results in being punched in the nether regions and due to the pain, they have no recollection of what happened.

HaHa! Deserved that ???

But also, have a look at that MBR vid at 11:30 and it’s what I found, and that button thingy certainly helps ? — yes it’s MBR, but they’re making a point about reach/seat angle and it looks like the Gen 3 has this sorted.

 

[NoPro]

True Specialized should have released the full range in one go. At least this forum would not be all about the pricing.

I am acually glad they did not otherwise I would already start to justify upgrading my 2020

 

[Zimmerframe]

Are you a Specialized shill like everyone on youtube? People are not "losing their minds", just merely expressing the quite correct outrage that an electric bike is the price as a Vauxhall Corsa....what are you getting for your money exactly?

Something that makes you feel a lot happier than driving a Vauxhall Corsa ?

 

[Zimmerframe]

what are you getting for your money exactly?

If He's buying one . Surely he's getting what HE wants for HIS money ?

What are you getting for questioning the pricing of a commercial product ? You don't have to buy it ?

I give up .. just goto the supermarket and buy a £500 ebike and be happy.

 

[Dod Colony]

Ah FFS, wish I hadn't seen this, makes my 6 week old 2021 look so 'last year'

 

[CjP]

Anybody know what that is? cable exit port? I am asking because I was thinking of getting a lupine C14 rear light and have a hard time figuring out how I would go about wiring it on my "old" 2020

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Rear camera to monitor the competition trying to catch up.

 

[lumpy]

Anybody know what that is? cable exit port? I am asking because I was thinking of getting a lupine C14 rear light and have a hard time figuring out how I would go about wiring it on my "old" 2020

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At my LBS yesterday looking at the new bike and I asked about it - the sales dude said he thought it was an access port to make it easier to run a dropper cable/wires

 

[gbarfoot]

For those saying it's a small price increase, remember that specialized upped the MSRP only a few months ago mid year cycle on their bikes. A levo comp was 6500us and then went to 7500. If when we see and alum comp I'm guessing it will be 8000us which is a SIGNIFICANT increase over what the bike cost in the third quarter of last year.

 

[Banktramp]

Unfortunately it’s supply and demand, with the current pandemic people have more disposable income as no holidays or going out most weekends, for those who are still in work. Bike demand has been high in the UK since lockdown and exercise the only way to get out. So all brands as well as bike shops can’t keep up with demand so can charge what they like.

 

[thecremeegg]

If He's buying one . Surely he's getting what HE wants for HIS money ?

What are you getting for questioning the pricing of a commercial product ? You don't have to buy it ?

I give up .. just goto the supermarket and buy a £500 ebike and be happy.

I have a Z4, a MK5 Golf GTI, an RTX 3080 and a Spectral On...all together cost the same as this bike....it's overpriced, sorry!

 

[Rosemount]

Has new wider belt and waterproofing differences.

But we live on a planet where you can buy a $4000 bamboo fishing rod. A bottle of wine for more than most people will earn in their lives. Cars which cost more than houses or even streets of houses. Watches which cost more than houses or cars. Clothes which cost more than cars. Handbags which cost more than cars or houses. Shoes which cost more than bikes - even these really expensive bikes !

Surely the only time that cost can be discussed to be morally justifiable is when it's for essential things you need to stay alive - but even medicines and operations are unavailable and affordable to many who NEED them ?? I don't see all the Rolex buying people on here off to those forums to complain ? Because we don't care .. We only care about which luxury good we can't afford and want so have to be satisfied with what we can afford - which for most of us, won't be any slower anyway.

Well Zim

Other than the motor and frame every thing else

I think the new battery is the M3. I suspect it won't fit as they've changed the way it connects to the motor compared to the M2 - happy to be proved wrong though.

Battery will fit ...
Just needs different hardware on the bash plate .

 

[Four Flusher]

I am curious, does anyone have any actual feedback (not speculation) on how the new levo compares with the Trek Rail 9.X?

yup, the Rail 9.8 XT is half the price of the new Levo.

 

[CjP]

yup, the Rail 9.8 XT is half the price of the new Levo.

That’s great news for lovers of Trek bikes.

 

[drm31078]

For those saying it's a small price increase, remember that specialized upped the MSRP only a few months ago mid year cycle on their bikes. A levo comp was 6500us and then went to 7500. If when we see and alum comp I'm guessing it will be 8000us which is a SIGNIFICANT increase over what the bike cost in the third quarter of last year.

This is the point people should be making on price....20% price increase in Jan 2021 and now another 5% price increase 3 months later on the new models. So we are talking a 25% price increase since last year. So no, it's not just a $500 difference.

"Death by a thousand cuts"