!! TUNING !! Haibike All Mtn 7.0 with Yamaha PW-X2 motor

[Hoffman6132]

I have been looking at options for removing the speed restriction on this bike (and a 6.0). Has anybody done this and do they have any advice? Both are brand new, and I do not want to damage them!

The battery is integrated and in a carbon frame. I am concerned that there may not be sufficient room to fit the standard devices use to tune the bikes. If anyone has done this successfully, then it would be good to know!

I am aware that this affects warranty.

Thanks for any help!

 

[Chris808]

Volspeed you need buddy, ive used one on my all mtn 2 with pwx for a year now, no problems at all with it or the bike..

it goes in the frame, you unbolt motor where needed and swing motor down unplug some cables and plug in dongle and then plug them you unplugged into dongle, pretty simple really, they come with instructions and im happy to help..


not so sure if i can link you here to one..

 

[RichardHawes]

Volspeed you need buddy, ive used one on my all mtn 2 with pwx for a year now, no problems at all with it or the bike..

it goes in the frame, you unbolt motor where needed and swing motor down unplug some cables and plug in dongle and then plug them you unplugged into dongle, pretty simple really, they come with instructions and im happy to help..


not so sure if i can link you here to one..

I think the PW-X2 2021 may have different software i know it has a different sensor wheel as apposed to hub, can anyone clarify?

 

[Jackware]

I think the PW-X2 2021 may have different software i know it has a different sensor wheel as apposed to hub, can anyone clarify?

This fits my 2020 Haibike with PW-X2 motor and works perfectly, (the speed sensor is bolted to the left hand chainstay with the magnet on a spoke).

E Bike Tuning Yamaha - bikespeed

E-Bike tuning for Yamaha - tune to speeds over 50 km/h. Professional tuning with the bikespeed-RS system.

www.bikespeed.de

If you email them they are very helpful.

 

[DDenis]

Hello,
You will be interested to know that I just installed a chip on my AllMtn 6 2021.
I took the risk because the supplier did not guarantee the compatibility.
The installation is really simple and doesn’t require to dismantle the motor (the easiest compared to my 2 previous mountain bikes). Here is the link to the provider I have chosen (the advantage of this solution is the activation only via the low-high-low-high sequence)

Shop für E Bike Tuning - bikespeed

Unser Shop für E Bike Tuning für die Marken Bosch, Brose, Yamaha, Panasonic und TQ. Tunen Sie Ihr E Bike auf 50km/h und mehr. Online bestellen.

www.shop.bikespeed.de

Kind Regards
Denis

 

[Jackware]

The only problem with this module is by default the standard version is switched on and off by selecting the Std and Eco+ modes 3 times but the new Yamaha auto mode can also change the support mode the same way, resulting in the derestriction to be switched on and off inadvertently.
The RSc version is required that uses different combination of mode selection to activate/deactivate it.

 

[DDenis]

You're probably right
I haven't had the opportunity to ride much yet but I noticed that once the automatic mode was on, the low-high-low-high sequence no longer works to activate/deactivate the unblocking.
The automatic mode is not especially responsive either to have sequences fast enough to activate/deactivate the mode but I will be fixed after testing longer.

 

[Jackware]

You're probably right
I haven't had the opportunity to ride much yet but I noticed that once the automatic mode was on, the low-high-low-high sequence no longer works to activate/deactivate the unblocking.
The automatic mode is not especially responsive either to have sequences fast enough to activate/deactivate the mode but I will be fixed after testing longer.

Not 'probably' - it happened to me and I'm upgrading to the RSc version as a result. It's also mentioned in the instructions and I've suggested to the Bikespeed team that it should also be on the main web page.

If you don't use Auto mode that much you may not be bothered by this, but I prefer to use it most of the time as I've found it quick to respond to bike angle and peddle pressure and not effect the available range enough to worry about but of course YMMV

 

[DDenis]

Hello Jackware,
I faced indeed the problem of desactivation when I was in the automatic mode.
I have a proposal from Bikespeed to upgrade from RS to RSc
Could you tell me what sequence you have requested to customize your RSc chip? (Should a « 4 x low, 4 x high » sequence solve the problem?)
Thank You

 

[Jackware]

Hello Jackware,
I faced indeed the problem of desactivation when I was in the automatic mode.
I have a proposal from Bikespeed to upgrade from RS to RSc
Could you tell me what sequence you have requested to customize your RSc chip? (Should a « 4 x low, 4 x high » sequence solve the problem?)
Thank You

Yes I went for up,up,up,up,down, down to switch on/off and the opposite for the service mode, but also to have it on as soon as the bike is switched on.

 

[DDenis]

Hello Jackware,
I'm surprised because Bikespeed says that upgrading to RSc version will not solve the problem

Here is their last message...

"The hint is the manual is actually only a hint. It may happen that your driving style causes the automatic function to switch on or off the tuning. For this purpose, exactly the combination in the correct time must be entered. In fact, this should not happen. You write that this could happen regularly. Have you already had the case?
Also the bikespeed-RSc does not offer a solution here. Depending on the selected combination and riding style, it can still happen that the automatic system "inputs" exactly this combination and thus switches the tuning on or off.
Should this actually happen, nothing will break. You simply have to enter the combination to switch on and off and everything is fine again"

What do you think about it?
Thank you in advance

 

[RichardHawes]

I thought about the Sx2 dongle no switching just plug and unplug and doubles the limit like the badassbox, but without needing a conventional sensor, i am a fan of keep it simple.

 

[Jackware]

Hello Jackware,
I'm surprised because Bikespeed says that upgrading to RSc version will not solve the problem

Here is their last message...

"The hint is the manual is actually only a hint. It may happen that your driving style causes the automatic function to switch on or off the tuning. For this purpose, exactly the combination in the correct time must be entered. In fact, this should not happen. You write that this could happen regularly. Have you already had the case?
Also the bikespeed-RSc does not offer a solution here. Depending on the selected combination and riding style, it can still happen that the automatic system "inputs" exactly this combination and thus switches the tuning on or off.
Should this actually happen, nothing will break. You simply have to enter the combination to switch on and off and everything is fine again"

What do you think about it?
Thank you in advance

My option of 4 ups solves the problem as the Auto mode only operates between Eco>Std>High (2 ups only)

 

[Jackware]

i just want to de restrict so i am waiting for the Sx2 dongle to come no switching just plug and unplug and doubles the limit like the badassbox, but without needing a conventional sensor, i am a fan of keep it simple. I will post to say how it works once it arrives.

Where are you meant to secure the dongle and its cable without it getting damaged or covered in crap or getting wet and shorting the electrics?
Also it appears to halve the actual displayed speed reading the instructions (for Bosch as there are none on the website for Yamaha) and the option to switch it via the lighting control switch is not a good idea as you may wish to add an integrated headlight at some point.

 

[RichardHawes]

There is no switch it just plugs into a socket, when plugged in it works when its not plugged in it doesn't and the bike works as normal. i have ordered the non switch version (switch version takes up too much room anyway) and an extension socket so i can have the socket attached to the handlebars, routing the cable through the frame and out of the neat vents on the head stock.

 

[Jackware]

i am a fan of keep it simple.

 

[BOTG]

Districting = worn bearings and motor quicker not to mention battery life.

 

[RichardHawes]

Districting = worn bearings and motor quicker not to mention battery life.

I wonder of you have personal experience of this? perhaps you could share the details of your knowledge with some facts such as how long it took for bearings to wear, which bearings and what the effect was? What the percentage of battery decline is, I do note that you appear to have only just got your e-bike so wondered where the experience came from? For me its a case of you pays your money and makes your choice, and for me the benefits outweigh the maintenance

 

[DDenis]

I have requested to upgrade my Bikespeed RS in RSc with the sequense recommanded by Jackware and it has indeed solved the problem for the compatibility with the automatic mode.
I'm facing another problem.
The speed indication on the display is regularly changing in a range of +-6 mph.
i have checked several times the connections.
It is not permanent but frequentThere is no impact when I activate the tuning but it is really a problem if I keep the speed limit.
I have check the magnet that is on the disk as well tahn the captor and the cable and everything seems right
do you have a recommandation?

 

[DDenis]

Hi Richard,
Do you confirm that you have installed the speedbox2 on your AllMtn 7 without any problem with the speed sensor ?
Bikespeed told me that they didn’t know the new sensor of the PW-X2 and that it could be the origin of my issue (they have been very responsive and I appreciate their services a lot even if we don’t have the solution fir this 2021 model yet)
Thank you

 

[DDenis]

Richard,
Don’t you have activations/desactivations of the tuning when you are in automatic mode?
Is the walk assist still available as they mention 3 ways to activate the tuning (light, assist or up-down-up-down)
Thank you

 

[ANTQNY]

Haibike all mtn6 2021 need a speed box and need my light to work skybeamer 150 what is the best option thanks

 

[RichardHawes]

Haibike all mtn6 2021 need a speed box and need my light to work skybeamer 150 what is the best option thanks

Hi i am not sure about the light but i think i had read somewhere that you will need a y lead as it will share the power.