Maxxis ignoring eMTBs?

[mehukatti]

Does anyone else here feel that Maxxis is ignoring eMTBs? They only offer paper thin EXO+ tires in 2.6" width. What is missing are 2.6" DoubleDown and Downhill tires which would be more suitable for heavy eMTBs. Their popular 2.4" and 2.5" tires are incredibly low volume and narrow on a full power eMTB.

 

[Gary]

Fair enough. as detailed above the average Emtb rider is pretty clueless

 

[steve_sordy]

My Merida eOne-Sixty came with:
Front: Maxxis Assegai 29x2.5 folding, TR DD 3C MaxxGrip. (1335gm)
Rear: Maxxis Aggressor 27.5x2.5 folding, TR DD Dual. (1105gm)

Both are DoubleDown and are not lightweights. OK they are not 2.6" like you want, but that is not far off.

If you believe that even those are not man enough for your needs, maybe consider adding Cushcore inserts.

The Maxxis Assegai is highly rated, I like it. The Maxxis Aggressor was rated by one comparison website as the best all round rear tyre, but I could not get on with it at all. So I replaced it with a WTB Trail Boss 27.5x2.6 TCS Light (Triple Compound + nylon Slash guard, Light casing). (1063g) The Trail Boss also comes with a heavier casing.
I also rate the WTB Vigilante for a front tyre. WTB Vigilante 29x2.5 TCS Light High Grip with TriTec compound and Slash Guard 1160gm. It too comes in a heavier casing.

 

[The Hodge]

If I didnt get on with the Assegai /Minnion combo (which I do ) ..I would also go down the Vigilante / Trail Boss route ..had them on my Whyte t130rs and thought they were great tyres ..

 

[Russell]

The 2.8 minions are totally rubbish with regard to their longevity. I've had two split the side wall well before the tread was warn and I only ride light xc. Considering they cost as much as, or more than motocross tyres I think that's poor.
The side wall feel similar in thickness to a inner tube.
I will not be buying maxxis tyres again.

 

[MMBB]

I gave up on Maxxis after 3 warranty claims on 3 new tyres. The build quality doesn't seem like it's there anymore.

 

[lightning]

Why not just buy another make of tyre, if Maxxis doesn't fit your requirements

 

[MMBB]

I did.hence why I said I gave up on them. I went down the schwalbe route haven't looked back.

 

[Tribey]

My Whyte came with a Maxxis High Roller, 2.50'' TR DD 3C 120TPI. I don't feel ignored.

 

[lightning]

Well yes, my 2020 Kona Ebike came with 2.8" Maxxis Minion DHF and DHR on it.

They seem fine to me, only had one puncture in 1500 miles, when a ruddy great thorn went through the front, needed pliers to pull it out!

The rear is due for changing soon but after 1500 miles off/on road l don't think that's too bad.

 

[Ripping g]

Big fan of maxxis Assegai front and shorty on the rear is a good combo for me shortys don’t last long but who cares when it suits and works ??

 

[The Hodge]

Well yes, my 2020 Kona Ebike came with 2.8" Maxxis Minion DHF and DHR on it.

They seem fine to me, only had one puncture in 1500 miles, when a ruddy great thorn went through the front, needed pliers to pull it out!

The rear is due for changing soon but after 1500 miles off/on road l don't think that's too bad.

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Lets not be hasty here ..if that is a current pic you are good for another 1500 miles ..?

 

[lightning]

Yes perhaps l am being a little premature, it's not getting changed yet!

 

[Ripping g]

Prob get 10,000,000 more out of those edges

Straight line billy ?

 

[RickBullotta]

The concept of an eMTB-specific tire makes no sense at all. Tires for heavier riders? Or "severe duty"? Perhaps.

 

[mehukatti]

I did.hence why I said I gave up on them. I went down the schwalbe route haven't looked back.

Yeah, I have been riding Schwalbe 2.6 Magic Mary and 2.6 Big Betty on my Bullit since I bought it. Now tried the original 2.5 Assegai and 2.4 DHR II and they feel really skinny and low volume, which kind of inspired this topic. Yeah, Maxxis does have 2.6 tires, but not in the DoubleDown casing which would be most relevant for this bike. But looks like most people in the Maxxis world don't see an issue here.

 

[mehukatti]

The concept of an eMTB-specific tire makes no sense at all. Tires for heavier riders? Or "severe duty"? Perhaps.

Shouldn't a heavier bike demand a tire with more width and volume? If going with your logic and exaggerating a bit, motocross bikes should use cyclocross tires.

 

[flash]

Shouldn't a heavier bike demand a tire with more width and volume? If going with your logic and exaggerating a bit, motocross bikes should use cyclocross tires.

More to do with riding conditions and rider style, I would think. I really didn't like the 2.8's that came on my original eMTB. Much prefer the feel of the 2.5's I'm on now.

Cyclocross is limited by UCI rules. Left to their own devices most riders would gravitate to a wider gravel tyre.

Gordon

 

[Gary]

Shouldn't a heavier bike demand a tire with more width and volume?

No. With the exception of fatbiking in sand and snow extra wide large volume mtb tyres are in fact a bit shit in general whether your bike weighs 20lb or 60lb!

exaggerating a bit, motocross bikes should use cyclocross tires.

Yeah, just a bit

Cyclocross is limited by UCI rules. Left to their own devices most riders would gravitate to a wider gravel tyre.

Where do you get this nonsense from?
CX racing is predominantly raced in wet grass, mud and sand. A wider gravel tyre would be awful in those conditions.
and there are no rules preventing the use of mountainbike tyres, nevermind gravel tyres

 

[Orangie]

Ya. You mean like an eddy current??? Worse tire I’ve run to date

 

[lightning]

Straight line billy ?

l know, it does look fairly bad doesn't it? Although l don't get my knee down on corners, l thought l was better than that....

I think it's the road miles that may have squared off the rear tyre, out of the 1500 miles l've done on the bike, around 1000 have been on the tarmac.

 

[RickBullotta]

Shouldn't a heavier bike demand a tire with more width and volume? If going with your logic and exaggerating a bit, motocross bikes should use cyclocross tires.

Of course - but not labeled "eMTB tires". That's my point. Heavier riders, more demanding terrain, heavier bikes - need beefier tires. It has nothing to do with whether or not it has a motor. a 100kg rider on a regular MTB needs a heavier tire also.

 

[flash]

Where do you get this nonsense from?
CX racing is predominantly raced in wet grass, mud and sand. A wider gravel tyre would be awful in those conditions.
and there are no rules preventing the use of mountainbike tyres, nevermind gravel tyres

From the UCI technical regulations, actually. I quote.....

"Wheels of the bicycle may vary in diameter between 70 cm maximum and 55 cm minimum, including the tyre. For the cyclo-cross bicycle the width of the tyre (measured between the widest parts) shall not exceed 33 mm and it may not incorporate any form of spike or stud."

So no MTB or wide gravel tyres are allowed by regulation. Most tyres sold as "gravel" are wider than 33mm.

Gordon

 

[Gary]

Ah... OK. Sorry. In UCI events yes those rules apply. But I assure you a normal mountainbike can be entered in domestic CX races.
I did one once for a laugh on a 26" wheel Dirt jump bike. It really wan't much of a laugh but at least I didn't have to get off to jump over any of the silly XC hurdles and logs

I really can't see anyone here ever being eligible to enter a UCI CX race.

 

[Slowroller]

Yeah, I have been riding Schwalbe 2.6 Magic Mary and 2.6 Big Betty on my Bullit since I bought it. Now tried the original 2.5 Assegai and 2.4 DHR II and they feel really skinny and low volume, which kind of inspired this topic. Yeah, Maxxis does have 2.6 tires, but not in the DoubleDown casing which would be most relevant for this bike. But looks like most people in the Maxxis world don't see an issue here.

Maxxis are chronically undersized, their 2.5s are really closer to 2.4s. There are two reasons that above 2.5" Maxxis doesn't use a DD casing, one being that mid fat tires are already heavy to begin with, and the other is it's a dying category. 2.6 - 3" tires were popular for a short time, especially with new riders but quickly lost favor among experienced riders as the weight tradeoff meant that they were either pigs, or too fragile, and also the bulk meant that they were not precise enough for most people. All top DH racers are on 2.5" or smaller tires with inserts for good reason.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Maxxis are chronically undersized, their 2.5s are really closer to 2.4s. There are two reasons that above 2.5" Maxxis doesn't use a DD casing, one being that mid fat tires are already heavy to begin with, and the other is it's a dying category. 2.6 - 3" tires were popular for a short time, especially with new riders but quickly lost favor among experienced riders as the weight tradeoff meant that they were either pigs, or too fragile, and also the bulk meant that they were not precise enough for most people. All top DH racers are on 2.5" or smaller tires with inserts for good reason.

There’s a ton of ebikes being specced with 2.6” tyres now. Maybe the majority of them even?

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

In fact, I’m bet that Maxxis are working on stuff oriented to EMTB. Like an ebike specific range / burlier tyre. For the exact reason that the thread was started.

 

[Gary]

Yeah. of course they will. it's easy money. init?
But...
Like most cycle tyre manufacturers Maxxis are struggling to supply their distributors world wide right now.
I'd personally prefer if they used their resources to try and get ontop of that before producing a pointless 0.1" wider tyre range to keep a bunch of moany Ebike beginners happy.

 

[Jimbo Vills]

Yeah. of course they will. it's easy money. init?
But...
Like most cycle tyre manufacturers Maxxis are struggling to supply their distributors world wide right now.
I'd personally prefer if they used their resources to try and get ontop of that before producing a pointless 0.1" wider tyre range to keep a bunch of moany Ebike beginners happy.

Exactly, easy money!

And us straight line Billy’s eat tyres faster and pay a premium for the ‘e’….

So I bet I know what market they want to focus on most.

Unfortunately for the real riders

 

[Gary]

Read the senrence in the middle again... slowly