Yeti 160E is a Shimano EP8 powered electric mountain bike. Full 29 front and rear, enduro geometry. 160mm rear travel with Yeti’s new Sixfinity linkage platform and 170mm fork.
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Yeti 160E is a Shimano EP8 powered electric mountain bike. Full 29 front and rear, enduro geometry. 160mm rear travel with Yeti’s new Sixfinity linkage platform and 170mm fork.
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Top video, fantastic cinematography.
On at least 2 occasions you said XL … which sounds just like “Excel” , so if [USER=12263]@carlbiker[/USER] watches this he’ll be super excited !
With a review like that, it’s hard to not feel a little bit of bike envy.
Niiiiiiiice
Lovely bike.
Things are moving on quickly.
My mate has just got a 2022 Cube and it’s so nicely made and finished generally that is makes my 2020 Kona feel like an old klunker.
And his Cube is the cheaper end of the range at £4,000.
Plus the Bosch motor wipes the floor with my E8000.
lt will hit the 15.5mph limiter going up a steep hill with ease, where mine won’t get past 14mph on the same hill even with me giving it some effort as well.
His battery is 675Wh so he gets about 25% more range than my Shimano 504Wh.
I want yeti linkage in my life. Though I cannot even get my mouth to say 12,000 pounds.
i wonder if the Chinese will make a Yeeb?
[QUOTE=”apac, post: 344442, member: 5445″]
I want yeti linkage in my life. Though I cannot even get my mouth to say 12,000 pounds
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Having had a beer, I read that as “I want a yeti linkage on my wife” ….
Makes the X2 on my SL seem…. squishy
[QUOTE=”apac, post: 344442, member: 5445″]
I want yeti linkage in my life. Though I cannot even get my mouth to say 12,000 pounds.
i wonder if the Chinese will make a Yeeb?
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Isn’t it 11,999.99
Soooooo much better when you say it like that mate 😆👍🏻
£12k. On a bike with an off the shelf EP8 system, when you can buy an almost identical specification bike from another brand, for literally half the price. 🤦♂️
It’s not even like you are getting the ‘premium’ support network, with Yeti’s legendary abysmal customer service (which I have experienced personally on more than one occasion). At least Specialized do something innovative whilst having your pants down for the price 😆
I can’t think of an e-bike I am less interested in. £12 grand. Absolute LOL. I’m sure the Surrey Hills will be awash with them being piloted by absolute wobblers.
[QUOTE=”Hob Nob, post: 344472, member: 10057″]
£12k. On a bike with an off the shelf EP8 system, when you can buy an almost identical specification bike from another brand, for literally half the price. 🤦♂️
It’s not even like you are getting the ‘premium’ support network, with Yeti’s legendary abysmal customer service (which I have experienced personally on more than one occasion). At least Specialized do something innovative whilst having your pants down for the price 😆
I can’t think of an e-bike I am less interested in. £12 grand. Absolute LOL. I’m sure the Surrey Hills will be awash with them being piloted by absolute wobblers.
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c’mon, that linkage has got to be worth 6k of anyone’s money. 🤷♂️
[QUOTE=”apac, post: 344478, member: 5445″]
c’mon, that linkage has got to be worth 6k of anyone’s money. 🤷♂️
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I’m thinking of setting up a new bike brand. Assuming I can get components in this day and age ..
I thought something downhill orientated , brand called “BeaVer” .. (with an 8 point linkage)
£15k minimum ..
Tag line something like “It loves you going down on it”.
[QUOTE=”Hob Nob, post: 344472, member: 10057″]
£12k. On a bike with an off the shelf EP8 system, when you can buy an almost identical specification bike from another brand, for literally half the price. 🤦♂️
It’s not even like you are getting the ‘premium’ support network, with Yeti’s legendary abysmal customer service (which I have experienced personally on more than one occasion). At least Specialized do something innovative whilst having your pants down for the price 😆
I can’t think of an e-bike I am less interested in. £12 grand. Absolute LOL. I’m sure the Surrey Hills will be awash with them being piloted by absolute wobblers.
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You can spend similar on a top spec bullit with the same motor.
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I love the look of the yeti, and the bullit but I’d have reservations on both due to the shimano too.
And the £12k price tags 😆
But these prices are normal now. Crazy high but normal for all brands flagship e bikes
If only they did a Brose version.
Stunning, but the pricing is just mental, the industry is pricing people out of the market ( people saying a 5k bike is now cheap ffs) and there putting people in debt with finance (which is how most these bikes are bought these days) which could cause major problems long term For buyers both mentally and financially.
im sure I read somewhere that during the E Ews maes used more batteries than other brand motors. from mates who’ve had yetis there customer service is known for being poor and top enduro bikes falling, still one of the nicest looking eebs and I like the fact is 29 front and rear.
Putting aside that you can get similarly specced bikes from more mass market brands for a lot less (but when has that not always been the case in the bike industry?) I don’t see any issue with the price, if you wan’t a high end carbon EMTB from a high end manufacturer thats what you are going to pay now, and if you have the money fair play.
If you are buying a Yeti you are likely buying it because its a Yeti. Same goes with a Santa Cruz or a Pivot – I cant for the life of me see any reason to buy a SC or Pivot EMTB given what else you can get in the market, unless you want an SC or a Pivot.
For me its far more of an issue that the more basic EMTB’s have gone up so much, and raised the reasonable point of entry to EMTB ownership.
What is interesting with the Yeti, is that I cant think of many, if any full 29’r long travel full fat EMTB’s that offer something similar? Correct me if I am wrong but most similar bikes have less balanced geo, or are a mullet, and weigh a lot more.
Levo S-Works is £13K
Trek Rail 9.9 AXS is £12.5K
SC Bullit is £11.7K
This new top end Yeti is £11.9K
It slots in to the extreme priced ebikes.
They’re all a SHIT load of money.
[QUOTE=”R120, post: 344503, member: 291″]
if any full 29’r long travel full fat EMTB’s that offer something similar?
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I also cannot find another 29er (full fat) with 160mm plus travel when I took a quick look… Its hard to fit all that travel in there in all frame sizes.
[QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 344506, member: 1″]
Trek Rail 9.9 AXS is £12.5K
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I’m glad when we buy a TV the price doesn’t jump up so much because it comes with a remote control rather than a cable … ;):ROFLMAO:
[QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 344509, member: 1″]
I also cannot find another 29er (full fat) with 160mm plus travel when I took a quick look… Its hard to fit all that travel in there in all frame sizes.
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There are the Scott ERIDE 910, Mondraker Level RR and the Focus Sam2 which are iirc 170/180 and 29 but alloy and come in at over 25kg.
[QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 344506, member: 1″]
Levo S-Works is £13K
Trek Rail 9.9 AXS is £12.5K
Top end Yeti is £11.9K
It slots in to the extreme priced ebikes.
They’re all a SHIT load of money.
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Spesh started this with their fucking insane pricing model and the boutique brands have all decided they want a piece of it and prices are only ever going to go up. I hope my Rail lasts a good long while because I can’t see me being able to afford even an entry level bike in a couple of years at this rate. 🤬
[QUOTE=”R120, post: 344518, member: 291″]
There are the Scott ERIDE 910, Mondraker Level RR and the Focus Sam2 which are iirc 170/180 and 29 but alloy and come in at over 25kg.
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Would be interesting to see how it rides back to back against the 2022 Mondrakers ? (750wh/29″)
Crafty R 25.1 kg
Crafty RR 24.9 kg
Crafty XR 24.9 kg
Crafty Carbon R 23.7 kg
Crafty Carbon RR 23.3 kg
Crafty Carbon RR SL 21.1 kg
The Crafty’s are shorter travel though – really they are a direct rival for the Rail/Levo.
Setting aside the price, the geo and travel of the Yeti is a good sweet spot for UK riding IMO.
For me the most natural Rival for it is the Megawatt, though it’s a Mullet
Though I do think the Mondraker Craftys look like killer bikes
[QUOTE=”Doomanic, post: 344541, member: 52″]
Spesh started this with their fucking insane pricing model and the boutique brands have all decided they want a piece of it and prices are only ever going to go up. I hope my Rail lasts a good long while because I can’t see me being able to afford even an entry level bike in a couple of years at this rate. 🤬
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But at the same time there isn’t really anything coming out that is game changing.
My 4 year old Vitus with E8000 and the new 635wh external will get 30miles round the Surrey hills ridden mostly in trail, comes in at 23kg, and that’s all alloy, 180mm ZEB Ultimates, DT Swiss 1900s so not exactly a weigh weenies build.
Given I never use boost the extra power of newer motors isn’t reall relevant, but the e8000 get more out of the bigger battery than the EP8 from my anecdotal observations, plus I can rock the 504wh most of the time which keeps the weight at 22.5kg.
As much as I love the look of some of the newer bikes, they are not offering any improvement in the real world to me.
[QUOTE=”Doomanic, post: 344541, member: 52″]
Spesh started this
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Have you been sleeping under a rock?
£10k+ bikes were a thing 20 years before any of us here has Emtbs
Don’t become one of those guys who moans about the price of things they weren’t ever in the market to buy
[QUOTE=”R120, post: 344547, member: 291″]
Though I do think the Mondraker Craftys look like killer bikes
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Was out on Sunday with a guy who had one. Proper beast of a bike! Looked lovely.
Yeah the look all fiesta no siesta 😎
[QUOTE=”R120, post: 344564, member: 291″]
Yeah the look all fiesta no siesta 😎
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Bargain too in comparison to the yeti 😆
I’ve fully disassembled a few e-bikes & coudn’t find twelve bags in any of them. Must be the ballooning logistics costs *Rubs hands*
[QUOTE=”Gary, post: 344558, member: 247″]
£10k+ bikes were a thing 20 years before any of us here has Emtbs
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They weren’t the norm though, were they?
Don’t become one of those guys who has to be contrary for the sake of it… oh. :ROFLMAO:
[QUOTE=”R120, post: 344553, member: 291″]
But at the same time there isn’t really anything coming out that is game changing.
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Absolutely, which makes the rate of price increases even harder to swallow.
Thing is, my LBS had four of the Specialized at £12,995 and sold them all before they’d even been delivered to the store
While there are people prepared to pay the money, manufacturers will offer them for sale.
[QUOTE=”Doomanic, post: 344575, member: 52″]
They weren’t the norm though, were they?
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When did you move to Surrey?
[QUOTE=”Gary, post: 344582, member: 247″]
When did you move to Surrey?
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He was blinded by the bling on the recent Surrey Hills forum ride and hasn’t been the same since
Nice! Im not sold on the EP8 tbh, it’s the weakest part of my Bullet. So much so I am thinking of switching next year so probably won’t be to the Yeti.
Really curious to see the new 9.9 Rail, think that will be a strong contender next year.
Great video as always Rob.
[QUOTE=”lightning, post: 344581, member: 16965″]
Thing is, my LBS had four of the Specialized at £12,995 and sold them all before they’d even been delivered to the store
While there are people prepared to pay the money, manufacturers will offer them for sale.
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Yes but look over all the dealers that sell s works or similar, you can count on 1 hand how many they sell … there not popular like the lower models. I paid 6250 for my 2019 expert and now the 22 expert is 8750.. just for a fancy tcu and smaller back wheel , there has to come a point where prices get realistic. Even the 2nd hand market is bonkers right now.
In video i heard alot of loud suspension chatter going down rough trail. Did you notice if it was louder than the Rail5?
[QUOTE=”apac, post: 344442, member: 5445″]
I want yeti linkage in my life.
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At first I thought it was the silliest thing I’d ever heard. But after hearing Rob gush about the performance, I’m willing to rethink my skepticism. Interestingly, I just did some googling as I’m typing this, and it appears that Yeti has used this idea previously in an eccentric configuration. Now they’re using a six-bar implementation.
[QUOTE=”RustyIron, post: 344418, member: 18393″]
With a review like that, it’s hard to not feel a little bit of bike envy.
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Yeah, thankfully it doesn’t have a Bosch motor, or it’d be so much worse.
[QUOTE=”Jimbo Vills, post: 344562, member: 9642″]
Was out on Sunday with a guy who had one. Proper beast of a bike! Looked lovely.
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Was it the 2022 model? Wondering if these are out in the wild yet.
[QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 344669, member: 1″]
Was it the 2022 model? Wondering if these are out in the wild yet.
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No mate, 2021 in the black and silver. RR model I believe.
Looks lovely in the flesh. Big bike tho, would have swore it was xl when I sat on it but was a L.
[QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 344506, member: 1″]
Levo S-Works is £13K
Trek Rail 9.9 AXS is £12.5K
SC Bullit is £11.7K
This new top end Yeti is £11.9K
It slots in to the extreme priced ebikes.
They’re all a SHIT load of money.
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Not to pick a fight with a man that I am sure will know better BUT…
Levo S-Works has a better spec, if only the Wheels being carbon
Trek Rail 9.9 AXS looks a better spec and again comes with carbon wheels
SC Bullit is just better… and comes with carbon wheels running i9 hubs
I really liked the Yeti and you video was great. Just those wheels… DT1700;s… OMG. OK if you’re buying a mid level Canyon or something but a flagship Yeti??? That’s just wrong! Shimano XT isn’t bad but surely XTR on that bike?
Just seems they cut some costs 🙁
Rejected 🔨 (There isn’t a gavel Emoji) :
[QUOTE=”DJ57UMP, post: 344675, member: 16375″]
SC Bullit is just better…
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Subjective.
[QUOTE=”Zimmerframe, post: 344676, member: 4350″]
Rejected :
Subjective.
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I honestly think if you were to cut me in half I’d have the SC logo running through me… :ROFLMAO:
That being said I really like the look of the Nukeproof Megawatt – it’s not got much finesse but the Factory build at a penny under £7k is mad good value. And that bike comes with DT 1700’s as the Yeti does…
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Rejected 🔨 (There isn’t a gavel Emoji) :
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👨⚖️
[QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 344509, member: 1″]
I also cannot find another 29er (full fat) with 160mm plus travel when I took a quick look… Its hard to fit all that travel in there in all frame sizes.
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orbea wild fs – although I wish it was a mullet as I keep buzzing my arse on the back wheel
[QUOTE=”DJ57UMP, post: 344675, member: 16375″]
Not to pick a fight with a man that I am sure will know better BUT…
Levo S-Works has a better spec, if only the Wheels being carbon
Trek Rail 9.9 AXS looks a better spec and again comes with carbon wheels
SC Bullit is just better… and comes with carbon wheels running i9 hubs
I really liked the Yeti and you video was great. Just those wheels… DT1700;s… OMG. OK if you’re buying a mid level Canyon or something but a flagship Yeti??? That’s just wrong! Shimano XT isn’t bad but surely XTR on that bike?
Just seems they cut some costs 🙁
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Yeah the UK gets a weird conversion on pricing. Like lot of things!
In the US Yeti do a spec where you can add DT Swiss HXC1200 rims, the total price is $13600 USD. The top end Bullit is $13299, although prob with a higher spec drivetrain.
[QUOTE=”DJ57UMP, post: 344678, member: 16375″]
Nukeproof Megawatt – it’s not got much finesse but the Factory build at a penny under £7k is mad good
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Agree – its a cracking bike for the money. This Yeti makes it looks cheap.
[QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 344683, member: 1″]
Agree – its a cracking bike for the money. This Yeti makes it looks cheap.
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With respect to the Nukeproof I think most bike make it look cheaper… but I still wanna hava a go and I could imagine liking it!
22/23KG is a lot for a full carbon framed bike. My Sam is a big old fatty at 25kg & a third of the price. Wonder what building in aluminium & ditching the marketing led emtb certified componentry would do to the cost side of this & for that matter, the feel.
With the recent changes to their alloy wheel line up, isn’t the new DT Swiss 1700 now their highest level alloy wheel set?
I know previously that the alloy line up was
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[*]1501
[*]1700
[*]1900
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and now with their recently released line up its:
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[*]1700
[*]1900
[*]1950
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So the 1700 is now their top end alloy wheel, with 350 hub and 36t
[QUOTE=”R120, post: 344692, member: 291″]
With the recent changes to their alloy wheel line up, isn’t the new DT Swiss 1700 now their highest level alloy wheel set?
I know previously that the alloy line up was
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[*]1501
[*]1700
[*]1900
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and now with their recently released line up its:
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[*]1700
[*]1900
[*]1950
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So the 1700 is now their top end alloy wheel, with 350 hub and 36t
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My point wasn’t that the DT wheels are bad really – though they aren’t my cup of tea. It was more that a £12k bike is coming with a fairly basic wheel and the 350 hub isn’t exactly great – though I will accept there is a little personal preference there again.
[QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 344683, member: 1″]
Agree – its a cracking bike for the money. This Yeti makes it looks cheap.
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Received wisdom advises that if you are looking for a *cracking* bike you should go with the Yeti.
Just seen the video, the quality of the post production is getting better and better Rob. Don’t know who’s doing your post work or if it’s you, but it’s excellent. Keep it coming mate.
I’m struggling with the price tag and that Ep8 rattle I never got over; but as with SB5/6 I had, it’s an incredible bike.
[QUOTE=”MrSimmo, post: 344745, member: 9108″]
Just seen the video, the quality of the post production is getting better and better Rob. Don’t know who’s doing your post work or if it’s you, but it’s excellent. Keep it coming mate.
I’m struggling with the price tag and that Ep8 rattle I never got over; but as with SB5/6 I had, it’s an incredible bike.
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Thanks 🙂
Jon [USER=1417]@TheBikePilot[/USER] gets all the footage. He’s capturing some incredible stuff. All in 4K 120fps.
We are a team of 2. Jon gets the bangers and I stitch them together. Pretty proud how some of our stuff comes out considering we are a tiny run and gun team of 2 😊😊
Agree with [USER=291]@R120[/USER] above, while silly money, bikes at this price don’t bother me, it’s the cost of average spec bikes now at £5k and over
[QUOTE=”Zimmerframe, post: 344545, member: 4350″]
Would be interesting to see how it rides back to back against the 2022 Mondrakers ? (750wh/29″)
Crafty R 25.1 kg
Crafty RR 24.9 kg
Crafty XR 24.9 kg
Crafty Carbon R 23.7 kg
[B][I]Crafty Carbon RR [/I][/B]23.3 kg
Crafty Carbon RR SL 21.1 kg
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Fancy naming one of them after an Italian dish… 🤪
I’ll keep my 150/150 long shocked Orbea rise thanks, half the price, 6kg lighter and just as fast DH
[QUOTE=”DanMcDan, post: 344755, member: 16490″]
I’ll keep my 150/150 long shocked Orbea rise thanks, half the price, 6kg lighter and just as fast DH
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HaHa! Just a little troubled by how you might know it’s just as fast… and in whose hands anyway?
£6,999 as fast 🙂
[QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 344747, member: 1″]
Thanks 🙂
Jon [USER=1417]@TheBikePilot[/USER] gets all the footage. He’s capturing some incredible stuff. All in 4K 120fps.
We are a team of 2. Jon gets the bangers and I stitch them together. Pretty proud how some of our stuff comes out considering we are a tiny run and gun team of 2 😊😊
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Kudos to both of you; they have the polish of a pro post house 👍
Rob,
I’m an happy owner of Haibike AllMtn SE 2021. You have tested in the past the AllMtn 7.
In your opinion, does the performances of Yeti 160E you’ve tested are really into another level with respect to AllMtn 7/SE?
My question is simply because i’m a Yeti fan ;).
Thanks.
[QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 344509, member: 1″]
I also cannot find another 29er (full fat) with 160mm plus travel when I took a quick look… Its hard to fit all that travel in there in all frame sizes.
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Orbea Wild FS, Whyte e180 . . . there are lots. However, it isn’t about beating up Yeti specifically, yes you are right, all of those brands are extremely expensive. I can’t speak for everyone else, but for me it is when we “normalise” the £10k plus bikes that’s the issue. I saw another post on this thread say “But these prices are normal now” . . . only if we accept it and don’t vote with our feet so to speak.
The analogy I used yesterday was, we seems to be more vocal about noise level of the shimano ep8 for example and just seem to accept the elephant in the room.
[QUOTE=”David0208, post: 344771, member: 3333″]
Orbea Wild FS, Whyte e180 . . . there are lots. However, it isn’t about beating up Yeti specifically, yes you are right, all of those brands are extremely expensive. I can’t speak for everyone else, but for me it is when we “normalise” the £10k plus bikes that’s the issue. I saw another post on this thread say “But these prices are normal now” . . . only if we accept it and don’t vote with our feet so to speak.
The analogy I used yesterday was, we seems to be more vocal about noise level of the shimano ep8 for example and just seem to accept the elephant in the room.
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I believe that comment was from me. And whilst I do agree with you, and would struggle to justify that expense on a bike (affordability and justification are two different things for everyone) if i chose not to purchase one, then they have more customers lining up to pay those prices faster than they can make them.
So unless you can organise a world wide boycott on bike purchases, unfortunately it looks like prices are here to stay. And prices will likely only plateau once demand slows. Cant see that happening anytime soon.
The Whyte is a very different bikes to the yeti, Whyte is 27.5 and nearer to a dh bike (and is what I would buy if I was looking at a Kenevo type bike ).
The Orbea wild however is on paper a similar bike, 160 out back though only 160 on the fork. Looks good value at £8999 for the all singing and dancing M-Limited. The geometry is very different to the Yeti though, size L has 455 reach and its definitely an older generation of bike from that perspective. I doubt it would ride anything like the Yeti.
Intrigued by your review Rob. I only just got round to nerding out on this bike and I have to say YETI’s marketing is genius/laughable depending on where your love of the brand lies.
[URL unfurl=”true”]https://yeticycles.com/bikes/160e[/URL]
[CENTER]E160E
WHILE EVERYONE ELSE WAS RACING TO MAKE AN E-MTB,
WE WERE MAKING AN E-MTB FOR RACING.[/CENTER]
(and they chose to put a Shimano motor in it?) EPIC FAIL!
🤣🤣🤣
[CENTER]EVERY TIME I FIND IT’S LIMIT.
I KEEP FINDING MINE.[/CENTER]
-Jared Graves, multi-time world champion and Olympian.
(oh and did we mention, cheat, confirmed doper and last placed finisher at the 2021 EWS-E?) 🤔
As for sixfinity. Yes it’s a clever little extra link that (not too dissimilar to the idea behind infinity link on their SB bikes) allows YETI to design in good AS to the suspension kinematics. But it doesn’t actually do anything groundbreaking. The axle path is still an arc around a virtual pivot point just like many other multi link designs (of which, most these days do also generally have very good AS traits).
Their claim that their SIX BAR DESIGN uses all SIX linkages to control axle path is kinda laughable too. Seeing as all FOUR LINKAGES control the axle path of any horst 4-bar or dual LINK VPP and CAN also be tuned just as easily by any savy designer to give good AS and AR curves and values at certain points (ie. Sag)
Have to agree with hobnob about YETI’s bearing and frame warranty claims
It does look to have decent geometry. And adjustable leverage curve isn’t a bad thing.
Awesome video as always BTW Rob. And hopefully it goes without saying I do trust your unbiased opinion, praise of the bike and how it rode.
[QUOTE=”Gary, post: 344817, member: 247″]
(and they chose to put a Shimano motor in it?) EPIC FAIL!
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:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
[QUOTE=”Zimmerframe, post: 344485, member: 4350″]
I’m thinking of setting up a new bike brand. Assuming I can get components in this day and age ..
I thought something downhill orientated , brand called “BeaVer” .. (with an 8 point linkage)
£15k minimum ..
Tag line something like “It loves you going down on it”.
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And we start betting on which one comes earlier for delivery, yours or Forestal 😂
I know it’s going to sound daft but having tried a few I still think my original e sommet is fantastically capable and at 22kg just on the right side of the weight barrier. Think they have gone backwards with the 25kg monsters.
[QUOTE=”Mteam, post: 344680, member: 11387″]
orbea wild fs – although I wish it was a mullet as I keep buzzing my arse on the back wheel
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Yeah I wish there was a flip chip on mine I even have a decent spare 27.5 wheel and would be fun to muck about with.
But if it could only be one or the other, I think I’d stay 29er tbh.
Looks awesome, but around $23K over here.
[QUOTE=”R120, post: 344780, member: 291″]
The Orbea wild however is on paper a similar bike, 160 out back though only 160 on the fork. Looks good value at £8999 for the all singing and dancing M-Limited. The geometry is very different to the Yeti though, size L has 455 reach and its definitely an older generation of bike from that perspective. I doubt it would ride anything like the Yeti.
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I have the Orbea and I wouldn’t rather it was longer reach. I’ve had long analog bikes and I honestly don’t get the trend of going so long – but then my local trails are pretty tight I guess, relatively. I’d rather be able to get the bike down under me and my weight on the front wheel more easily, with the longer bikes I had in the past I couldn’t seem to do that as well.
Might be a flexibility thing though 🙂
Or maybe I’m a bit of a T-rex…
All personal preference, no right or wrong
[QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 344509, member: 1″]
I also cannot find another 29er (full fat) with 160mm plus travel when I took a quick look… Its hard to fit all that travel in there in all frame sizes.
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Cannondale moterra SE is 180mm front 160mm rear
[QUOTE=”Elsketcho, post: 345137, member: 10255″]
Cannondale mother’s SE is 180mm front 160mm rear
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Is it a mullet?
[QUOTE=”Gary, post: 344817, member: 247″]
-Jared Graves, multi-time world champion and Olympian.
(oh and did we mention, cheat, confirmed doper and last placed finisher at the 2021 EWS-E?) 🤔
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Yeah he really should be over that life threatening brain cancer & surgeries to fix it by now. Maybe he needs to cheat or dope some more. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 345138, member: 1″]
Is it a mullet?
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No, 29” front and back.
After seeing the price of some of the EBikes now I looked at the price of electric motorbikes for a comparison. I know they are exactly not the same but apart from pedal cranks and cut-off software they would seem very comparable.
There is a new Suron MX bike (full size) that will be £8000 with a very high power motor and large battery. Most are in the £5000 range using DH bike components.
Some of these EMTB makers are taking the piӣ
[QUOTE=”Lee Dove, post: 345241, member: 1452″]
There is a new Suron MX bike (full size) that will be £8000 with a very high power motor and large battery.
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Be really fun to have a go on one, see how it rides. I think the analog riders on my locals trail might not be very impressed though 🙂
EDIT: [URL=’https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ns1LzysKlk’]FITTING NEW FORKS ON MY ELECTRIC MOTOCROSS BIKE AND SENDING IT! – YouTube[/URL]
[QUOTE=”Zed, post: 344935, member: 3004″]
I have the Orbea and I wouldn’t rather it was longer reach. I’ve had long analog bikes and I honestly don’t get the trend of going so long
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I was thinking about this, and I realised maybe the longer reach (or not) thing has a lot to do with pedal choice. Because I ride flats, I’m heels down and riding further back on the bike a lot (which more reach will oppose somewhat), and I’m intentionally shifting forward and weighting the front when I need a moment of traction to turn. If I was clipped in I wouldn’t need my heels down so much and would likely ride up front more, this might mean a longer front would make sense.
A real issue for me will be if Knolly make an ebike 🙂
I’ve had two Knolly bikes and absolutely loved the kinematics and industrial build quality of both. I don’t think I could resist. I really hope they release one, but not until I’ve hit a few financial goals I’m working on lol…
[QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 344401, member: 1″]
The ride quality of this bike is amazing:
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Excellent e-review as always Rob. Always appreciate you pointing out the little niggles for these super bikes that can be little nuisances in real riding life. Charging a bike in over 10hrs is no go for me right there and 630 w/hr battery for this price of bike a no go for me as well. Purpose of ebikes is to go much further and on terrain beyond normal capacities of regular bikes. I love my Rail mostly (minus RIB), but only capable of going same distance as I did on regular bike, albeit in sorter period of time. For this, looking at 2nd battery add on in car to grab for more riding.
Anyhoo, 160E looks fantastic in geo, travel, wheel size and sounds ride ability.
[USER=3004]@Zed[/USER] – your preference for a shorter reach is definitely (as you’ve realised) down to your riding style.
But that isn’t down to your pedal choice.
it’s perfectly possible to ride over the front on flat pedals just as it is to ride off the back when clipped in.
The riding position is not exclusive to each pedal style.
Try riding with only your front foot heel down and your rear foot toe down (cranks level or just a touch back from level). it’s a very stable footing position over rough ground and should keep your body forwards more
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[QUOTE=”Gary, post: 345910, member: 247″]
Try riding with only your front foot heel down and your rear foot toe down (cranks level or just a touch back from level). it’s a very stable footing position over rough ground and should keep your body forwards more
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I do that sometimes yeah, kind of like a lunge/one legged squat feeling bracing against the one front foot. I guess I’m thinking more of a few specific fast rocky trails where the jarring is so much it gets difficult to see wtf is coming and I’m clinging on for dear life 🙂
Something to think about more out on the trail though, thanks
[QUOTE=”Zed, post: 345916, member: 3004″]
kind of like a lunge/one legged squat feeling bracing against the one front foot
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Nah.
With your front foot heel down and rear toe down they should be braced opposingly and a lot more evenly.
Certainly not one leg doing all the work.
If you’re new to it don’t start trying it on
[QUOTE][B]fast rocky trails where the jarring is so much it gets difficult to see wtf is coming and I’m clinging on for dear life[/B] :)[/QUOTE]until you’ve figured it out.
Most flat pedal mtb riders these days rely on super sticky soles doing the bulk of the work in keeping their feet in place for them.
For many riders (especially new riders or riders switching to flat pedals) the stiffness and bulk of most sticky soled mtb shoes deadens the information they’d otherwise recieve trelling them what is actually going on below with their foot positioning and loading.
it’s one of the reasons I don’t use them.
[QUOTE=”Gary, post: 345921, member: 247″]
the stiffness and bulk of most sticky soled mtb shoes deadens the information they’d otherwise recieve trelling them what is actually going on below with their foot positioning and loading.
it’s one of the reasons I don’t use them.
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I’m curious, what do you use with flat pedals then?
skate shoes with decent sole flexibility and feel.
(Vans for pumptrack/urban/commuting. Etnies for mtb)
I do have a couple of pairs of 5:10 freeriders and a couple of pairs of Etnies camber crank (Michelin soles) – I just don’t wear them because the soles are stiffer and grippier than I like.
[QUOTE=”Gary, post: 345938, member: 247″]
skate shoes with decent sole flexibility and feel.
(Vans for pumptrack/urban/commuting. Etnies for mtb)
I do have a couple of pairs of 5:10 freeriders and a couple of pairs of Etnies camber crank (Michelin soles) – I just don’t wear them because the soles are stiffer and grippier than I like.
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MTB flat shoes are stiff for several reasons, but if you’ve ever taken a tree stump to the front of your foot at speed, you’ll quickly appreciate the architecture of an MTB shoe.
Gary doesn’t suffer pedal/foot strikes like a mere mortal.
[QUOTE=”Gary, post: 345938, member: 247″]
(Vans for pumptrack/urban/commuting. Etnies for mtb)
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Interesting…
[QUOTE=”KSL, post: 346195, member: 19064″]
MTB flat shoes are stiff for several reasons, but if you’ve ever taken a tree stump to the front of your foot at speed, you’ll quickly appreciate the architecture of an MTB shoe.
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Yeah it’s my first thought too. Sometimes when I’m trying to pedal up stuff that only an emtb will get up, I wedge my foot between a root and the pedal with motor torque overrun on the back wheel, and am very thankful for my 5:10s 🙂
[QUOTE=”Zed, post: 346205, member: 3004″]
Interesting…
Yeah it’s my first thought too. Sometimes when I’m trying to pedal up stuff that only an emtb will get up, I wedge my foot between a root and the pedal with motor torque overrun on the back wheel, and am very thankful for my 5:10s 🙂
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Exactly. They’ve saved my feet on many occasions.
[QUOTE=”Gary, post: 345921, member: 247″]
Nah.
With your front foot heel down and rear toe down they should be braced opposingly and a lot more evenly.
Certainly not one leg doing all the work.
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Can’t be all on one leg with even pedals eh 🙂
Hungover me not articulating well yesterday. I don’t drink often but when I do I make sure I properly regret it.
I hadn’t thought about this though I just do it automatically, I’ll play around with it, cheers (y)
[QUOTE=”KSL, post: 346195, member: 19064″]
MTB flat shoes are stiff for several reasons, but if you’ve ever taken a tree stump to the front of your foot at speed, you’ll quickly appreciate the architecture of an MTB shoe.
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Oh.. Do behave! 😂
[QUOTE=”Hob Nob, post: 344472, member: 10057″]
£12k. On a bike with an off the shelf EP8 system, when you can buy an almost identical specification bike from another brand, for literally half the price. 🤦♂️
It’s not even like you are getting the ‘premium’ support network, with Yeti’s legendary abysmal customer service (which I have experienced personally on more than one occasion). At least Specialized do something innovative whilst having your pants down for the price 😆
I can’t think of an e-bike I am less interested in. £12 grand. Absolute LOL. I’m sure the Surrey Hills will be awash with them being piloted by absolute wobblers.
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Money is not a consideration for everyone. Have owned 3 Yeti’s and found them to be very reliable. Been buying various products from Yeti over the years and have always found their customer service to be top notch. I decided to purchase the new 160e because my 2021 Levo S-Works was in the shop more than on the trails. First it was the TC, then the battery, then the motor and again th3 replacement battery. Lov3d the ride quality and range, Specialized jerked me around on endless waits for warranty replacement parts.
[QUOTE=”Singletrackmind, post: 346246, member: 12285″]
2021 Levo S-Works was in the shop more than on the trails
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That’s pretty horrendous when you look at that cash outlay to NOT be out riding.
So it should be for that price.
If I ever sold my Pivot, I’d probably get the Yeti. It looks amazing. I have not had any bad experiences with Yeti either…owned the ASR-SL, the 575, and the SB4.5.
New Yeti 160e T1 arrived today! Need to install Shirgura brake set-up, switch out a few components and install Ridewrap Tailored kit before I hit the trails. This beast screams quality! I am a Director of Operations for a composites company that makes carbon parts for jet airplanes and missile systems so I’m very familiar with carbon components. Understand lots of comments about the price, but that was not a consideration for me. Have owned a few Yeti’s previously and am a proud member of the tribe. Will give an honest review once I gets some mikes on the trail. Currently have a YT Decoy Elite and owned a Specialized Turbo Levo S-Works that I will use as a baseline comparison. Have ridden my ruding buddies Santa Cruz Heckler and Canyon Spectral that I will all rate against.
[QUOTE=”mfa81, post: 350902, member: 21215″]
Amazing bike! I just wish Yeti would have spec’ed AXS drivetrain on the top end build on these price range as well as a nicer cockpit, would love to see the cables internally routed through the handlebar as well as a 2x 220 rotors. But other than that I feel like it’s an spectacular bike, a friend of mine has one and he really likes it.
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I have the SRAM AXS drivetrain on my Spesh Levo S-Works and Vado SL hybrid and had it on my last 2 previous mountain bikes. Running XT on my YT Decoy Elite and actually think the Shimano shifts smoother. The XT chain, rear cassette and chainring are actually less expensive then the SRAM AXS which is a consideration since emtb parts can wear faster even when you meticulously clean your drivetrain and shift gears 1 at a time (mostly). Absolutely love the AXS and considered swapping out. Will be installing Shigura brakes (Shimano Saint Brake Levers/Magura MT7 Calipers) with 220mm rotors front and back. Going with SQLAB Carbon 31 8 handlebars with 12 degree backsweep. For whatever reason, always love Nukeproof Horizon Stems and will be changing saddle to an Ergon SM E saddle. Running Deity TMAC pedals and changing tires to Schwalbe Eddy Currents 2.6 front/rear.
[QUOTE=”Rich-EMTB-UK, post: 351990, member: 5359″]
Hi, have you managed to get out on her yet?
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Not yet. Ridewrap made an error with the pattern on the Tailored Kit, had to correct orientation on the plys and are sending a replacement kit. Its torture having a new Yeti and nit being able to ride it! Sure it’ll be worth the wait. Will keep you posted.
Here is the final spec list:
[B]Frame – [/B]T1 TURQ Series Carbon with Ridewrap Tailored Kit
[B]Suspension – [/B]Sixfinity
[B]Rear Shock – [/B]FOX Factory Float X2
[B]Rear Travel – [/B]160mm
[B]Fork – [/B]FOX Factory 38 GRIP 2 170mm E-Tune with custom Yeti decals
[B]Front Travel – [/B]170mm
[B]Shifters – [/B]Shimano XT
[B]Rear Derailleur – [/B]Shimano XT
[B]Crankset – [/B]Shimano EM900 34T 160mm
[B]Cassette – [/B]Shimano XT
[B]Cassette Range – [/B]10-51t
[B]Chain – [/B]Shimano XT
[B]Brakeset – [/B]Shimano Saint Brake Levers/
Magura MT7 Calipers/Magura 220mm rotors
[B]Handlebar – [/B]SQ Lab Carbon, 4-degree upsweep, 12 degrees backsweep, 30mm rise, 780 x 31.8mm
[B]Grips – [/B]ODI Elite Pro Yeti Edition
[B]Stem [/B]- Nukeproof Horizon 31.8 x 50mm
[B]Headset – [/B]Cane Creek 110 Integrated
[B]Saddle – [/B]Ergon SM E Mountain Sport
[B]Seatpost – [/B]SRAM Reverb AXS 31.6 x 170mm
[B]Wheelset – [/B]DT Swiss EXC 1501 Carbon 30mm
[B]Front Axle – [/B]15 x 110mm
[B]Rear Axle – [/B]12 x 148mm
[B]Tires – [/B]Schwalbe Eddy Currents 29 x 2.6″ with Cushcore Pros
[B]Pedals – [/B]Deity TMAC Signature
[B]Motor – [/B]Shimano EP8
[B]Battery[/B] – SHIMANO 630Wh Internal
[B]Manufacturer Warranty – [/B][frame] lifetime
[B]Weight[/B] – 49.7lbs
[B]160E FEATURES[/B]
• Boost spacing and SRAM UDH hanger
• Uninterrupted 31.6 seat tube offers great dropper post compatibility
• Floating collet axles and pinch bolts on the linkage extend
bearing life and ensure optimal, consistent alignment
• Custom OneUp chain guide mount
• Mainframes accommodate a standard water bottle.
• Custom cable ports, captured hoses and housing and ribbed chainstay guards provide a silent ride.
• The frame ports are also configurable for clean setup whether you run cabled, wireless or a combination for your dropper and derailleur
• “Moto” brake compatible routing (Left Rear Brake/Right Front Brake).
• Tube in tube routing in swingarm for rear brake, speed sensor and derailleur.
• Rear mud fender protects motor and linkage • Shock drain hole allows water and mud to drain out.
• 630-Watt hour battery Shimano battery for hassle free worldwide support.
• Semi Integrated battery provides for hassle free off the bike charging
• Remote charging port on the non-drive side
• EM-800 full color display.
• Bluetooth capable for integration with a phone or GPS.
• Wire management in Downtube for ease of use
• Max system weight 130KG
• ASTM 4 rating
[QUOTE=”Hob Nob, post: 344472, member: 10057″]
£12k. On a bike with an off the shelf EP8 system, when you can buy an almost identical specification bike from another brand, for literally half the price. 🤦♂️
It’s not even like you are getting the ‘premium’ support network, with Yeti’s legendary abysmal customer service (which I have experienced personally on more than one occasion). At least Specialized do something innovative whilst having your pants down for the price 😆
I can’t think of an e-bike I am less interested in. £12 grand. Absolute LOL. I’m sure the Surrey Hills will be awash with them being piloted by absolute wobblers.
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Having owned a Specialized Levo S-Works and the new Yeti-160E, there is no comparison the Yeti wins hands down! Will give the nod to Spesh on the battery and intuitive feel of the motor. As far as riding characteristics and performance, Yeti is a much better all-round emtb. Rides extremely fast and very agile. Geometry is spot on and climbs as well if not a tad better the the Levo and absolutely shreds it on the dh. Albeit I did not have the new gen Levo, had the model right before they went mullet. Price of both the top line bikes is comparable. Never had a problem in 10 years with Yeti customer service, mainly since it never had any warranty issues like the 2 TC’s, 2 batteries and 1 motor U had to replace on my Levo. When I did have to contact Yeti for normal wear items, received great service. When I purchased my new Yeti, contacted them to get detailed specs since I was swapping out some components a d communication was outstanding.
[QUOTE=”F4Flyer, post: 350720, member: 12525″]
Fantastic! Keep us posted.
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FINALLY got my Yeti back after receiving defective Ridewrap kit replacement and Shigura brakes installed.
Only have a couple rides and so far VERY impressed! Been a long time 27.5 wheel size fan because of the agility and absolutely love the feel and performance of my YT DECOY ELITE with mullet wheelset. Yeti nailed the geometry and it felt dialed in right out of the gate. Can’t believe how plush and poppy it feels in the turns and when barnstorming single tracks, yet if feels super stable even on knarly descents. I think what has impressed me most is how well it climbs. New gen Shimano EP8 motor is definitely more powerful then previous gen and am getting good range from the 630w battery. Wl add more info as I get some more miles in the saddle.
Perfect riding weather in sunny San Diego, California!
[QUOTE=”Singletrackmind, post: 354740, member: 12285″]
Perfect riding weather in sunny San Diego, California!
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Looks great, seems a shame to get it dirty
[QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 344506, member: 1″]
Levo S-Works is £13K
Trek Rail 9.9 AXS is £12.5K
SC Bullit is £11.7K
This new top end Yeti is £11.9K
It slots in to the extreme priced ebikes.
They’re all a SHIT load of money.
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Glad I got in a couple of years ago at under 10K!
[QUOTE=”Singletrackmind, post: 354691, member: 12285″]
Having owned a Specialized Levo S-Works and the new Yeti-160E, there is no comparison the Yeti wins hands down! Will give the nod to Spesh on the battery and intuitive feel of the motor. As far as riding characteristics and performance, Yeti is a much better all-round emtb. Rides extremely fast and very agile. Geometry is spot on and climbs as well if not a tad better the the Levo and absolutely shreds it on the dh. Albeit I did not have the new gen Levo, had the model right before they went mullet. Price of both the top line bikes is comparable. Never had a problem in 10 years with Yeti customer service, mainly since it never had any warranty issues like the 2 TC’s, 2 batteries and 1 motor U had to replace on my Levo. When I did have to contact Yeti for normal wear items, received great service. When I purchased my new Yeti, contacted them to get detailed specs since I was swapping out some components a d communication was outstanding.
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As you re-quoted me directly on this. For the sake of comparison. I have actually now ridden one of the new Yeti’s, I don’t own one, so no confirmation bias. I would agree, comparing to the Gen 2 Levo, it’s an improvement. But then you are comparing a brand new bike to a one that’s nearly 4 years old now, in a rapidly evolving sector.
Comparing to other current bikes, is it better than the current Gen 3 Levo? No, but it’s very similar, albeit with the usual EP8 disappointment (poor BMS & weak/loud motor). The Decoy MX is a better & faster descending bike than both. The Kenevo SL is noticeably quicker again, but what you gain on the downs you lose on the ups.
Warranty wise, I literally have nothing positive to say about Yeti. Multiple QC issues with bikes & multiple broken frames, in a short period of time. The concept of having something that has an increased liability of failure over a normal bike would introduce a ‘Falling Down’ moment for me.
Price is of course subjective. For some it is a big consideration, for others less so & for some fortunate people, it isn’t. However a bike that is literally double the price of others, with comparable specifications & no better performance, isn’t in the realms of consideration, it’s just weird. I don’t just include Yeti in that statement – Pivot are probably an even worse example of losing the plot.
Prices of halo products are always expensive. But when your halo product is 25% more expensive than a Levo Pro, with a worse spec, then regardless, it’s just poor value. And that doesn’t matter how much money you have, you are being taken for a ride.
But, if you like it, that’s all that matters 🙂
[QUOTE=”Hob Nob, post: 354841, member: 10057″]
As you re-quoted me directly on this. For the sake of comparison. I have actually now ridden one of the new Yeti’s, I don’t own one, so no confirmation bias. I would agree, comparing to the Gen 2 Levo, it’s an improvement. But then you are comparing a brand new bike to a one that’s nearly 4 years old now, in a rapidly evolving sector.
Comparing to other current bikes, is it better than the current Gen 3 Levo? No, but it’s very similar, albeit with the usual EP8 disappointment (poor BMS & weak/loud motor). The Decoy MX is a better & faster descending bike than both. The Kenevo SL is noticeably quicker again, but what you gain on the downs you lose on the ups.
Warranty wise, I literally have nothing positive to say about Yeti. Multiple QC issues with bikes & multiple broken frames, in a short period of time. The concept of having something that has an increased liability of failure over a normal bike would introduce a ‘Falling Down’ moment for me.
Price is of course subjective. For some it is a big consideration, for others less so & for some fortunate people, it isn’t. However a bike that is literally double the price of others, with comparable specifications & no better performance, isn’t in the realms of consideration, it’s just weird. I don’t just include Yeti in that statement – Pivot are probably an even worse example of losing the plot.
Prices of halo products are always expensive. But when your halo product is 25% more expensive than a Levo Pro, with a worse spec, then regardless, it’s just poor value. And that doesn’t matter how much money you have, you are being taken for a ride.
But, if you like it, that’s all that matters 🙂
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Nice to see your response. My intent was not to offend and I don’t think you inferred it that way. Really enjoy reading all the different perspectives on this forum. Seems like we all have had different levels of customer service and satisfaction with our bikes. I actually spent an additional $2K in upgrades to get my Yeti just the way I like it. In all honesty, wish they would have used a better battery/motor combo. I usually switch my bikes out every 2 years and will be anxious to see advancements in technology over the coming years! Happy Trails!