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Introducing the new 2022 Scott Patron eRide

The new Scott Patron eRide is a 29er bike with 160 mm of suspension travel and 454 mm chainstays. That sounds a lot like the Scott Genius eRide. Does it make any sense having two such bikes in the lineup?

2022 Scott Patron eRide 900 Ultimate
2022 Scott Patron eRide 900 Ultimate

Well, yeah, it does. The Patron eRide seems to be a quite different bike. It gets the new Bosch Smart System kit, with the big 750 Wh battery. The Patron eRide takes integration to the next level, most noticeably by integrating the shock inside the frame. Check out our video for all the details and specs.

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Started mountainbiking in the 90s. Moved to emtbs in 2014 and have been reviewing them since 2016. Contact me here https://emtb.no/contact/

62 Comments

  2. [QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 332769, member: 1″]
    Neat, other than this bit:

    [ATTACH type=”full” alt=”IMG_5944.jpg”]70889[/ATTACH]
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    Oh deep sigh, I can’t see any point in these shock lockouts on an ebike. What a gimmick, they puts realise that this is pants.

  3. [QUOTE=”Funkeydunk, post: 332770, member: 4130″]
    Oh deep sigh, I can’t see any point in these shock lockouts on an ebike. What a gimmick, they puts realise that this is pants.
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    Maybe you’d get used to it. I rode the Scott Spark for a day and hated that twinlock. So much extra crap on the bike for very little (if any) benefit. I actually never lock out my suspension. Does anyone on an ebike? Actually interested to see if folks do…

  4. My current bikes have lockouts on the shock but I never ever use them, just no point. I hired a genius for a day, and it was a complex set of thumb leavers, that didn’t really impress me. The LBS said most people have them removed.

  6. [QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 332771, member: 1″]
    Maybe you’d get used to it. I rode the Scott Spark for a day and hated that twinlock. So much extra crap on the bike for very little (if any) benefit. I actually never lock out my suspension. Does anyone on an ebike? Actually interested to see if folks do…
    [/QUOTE]
    I thought the idea was that their system wasn’t for lockout ? But for changing the suspension dynamics on the fly ??? (or is that just a posh way of saying – lockout ??)

  7. I can’t decide what’s worse, the Scott lockout/dropper sh*tshow, or the new Bosch controller.

    How, in todays day & age, do people misread the room/market so spectacularly?

  8. I sometimes do my rear suspension when I go up for a long climb… but I have to admit that I don’t notice it much. It must be psychological that makes me do it…

  9. What a mess!

    Think bosch (and scott) need to employ some ergonomics people.

    I do use the lockout on my shock, but only when pedalling uphill with the motor switched off – which is not that often. It does seem to make a noticable difference to pedalling with the motor off. But if I’m using the motor, it makes no difference at all.

  10. [QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 332769, member: 1″]
    Neat, other than this bit:

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    Yeah, the new Twinlock (Tri-lock?) in combination with the Bosch remote is… ehh… significant (:

  11. I sometimes use the lockout on my DVO, but I almost as often forget to open it up again before heading down…

  14. [QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 332769, member: 1″]
    Neat, other than this bit:

    [ATTACH type=”full” alt=”IMG_5944.jpg”]70889[/ATTACH]
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    Looks like Mick Doohans LHRB

  16. [QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 332771, member: 1″]
    Maybe you’d get used to it. I rode the Scott Spark for a day and hated that twinlock. So much extra crap on the bike for very little (if any) benefit. I actually never lock out my suspension. Does anyone on an ebike? Actually interested to see if folks do…
    [/QUOTE]

    I also ride a Spark. Climbing is notably more ‘comfortable’ and efficient when you don’t have a motor to push you along. As a result, I tend to lock out my ebike, manually, should the climb be long enough to warrant it’s use. Others in the groups i ride with do so also, however the majority, don’t. Perhaps it’s a throwback to my hardtail days. Placebo maybe, however pedal bob, means that I’m wasting a little of my energy, which could be used elsewhere..

  18. I have never got Scott – whilst they had and have some of the streasiest riders in their team, the brand does nothing for me and their bikes are just so fecking ugly.

    I thought they might have turned a corner with the new spark, I saw Brendogs one from the launch video in MB Cyclery which had bee shorn off all the lepper levers and looked awesome, but this eels another design from a design team playing blind mans bluff

  19. I will wait until they set siri to control all those settings and trade all those switches by a microfone at the stem, so that I can whisper at my ebikes’ ears what I want it to do… unlock this, lock that, etc

  20. [QUOTE=”R120, post: 332824, member: 291″]
    Haibike called and want their ugly crown back
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    I hate to say it …. I quite like it ! 🙂 It looks a bit like the love child of a Decoy, a Colander, a Sur Ron lightbee and one of those weird thing you buy to press logs out of old newspapers ….

    I don’t know … it just appeals visually when everything else is starting to look very “samey” (is that a word ?)

    On the flip side, this could just mean that I should really really consider holding off any dating at the moment …. Vote below …. 🙂 :unsure: ?

  21. [QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 332771, member: 1″]
    Maybe you’d get used to it. I rode the Scott Spark for a day and hated that twinlock. So much extra crap on the bike for very little (if any) benefit. I actually never lock out my suspension. Does anyone on an ebike? Actually interested to see if folks do…
    [/QUOTE]

    On the genius non ebike it’s fantastic – geometry changes at the flick of a button. Think of it like a remote for adding tokens to the shock rather than a traditional dampening switch. Fully open for a raked out down hill ride, mid setting and you have a steep sharp steering short travel bike.

    I’d love to try fitting that shock technology into my levo sl.

  22. I like it. As I do their Ransom. However I’m waiting a couple of years to see what integrated motor/gearbox fs models are about, before committing. Personally, I really like the idea of a fully enclosed rear shock?

  24. [QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 332769, member: 1″]
    Neat, other than this bit:

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    :sick::sick::sick:

  25. Really used the lockout on my Genius a lot – on my eGenius ……. never really.

    If they wanted to make a change – have a handlebar layout something similar to the Levo (about the only thing I like on them) – on the left a simple, easy to use power selector and a dropper post lever and on the right the trigger shifter.

    If they want to make a statement to match the hidden shock …..
    Rohloff hub with internal cable routing (or wireless) and the same with the dropper post.

  28. [QUOTE=”stiv674, post: 333135, member: 3069″]
    Bit chunky innit, 26kg ?
    [/QUOTE]
    The weight has had me looking elsewhere ?

  29. [QUOTE=”Paul Mac, post: 333156, member: 672″]
    The weight has had me looking elsewhere ?
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    I think the top model is “only” 24kg’s .. but then for less money even bikes considered “expensive” like Gen3 Levo experts are available which are lighter.

  30. Surely the bike isn’t t aimed at people wanting to get rowdy on the trails – I look at this think as some of the older locals I know who like to ride out from Reigate where I live along the north downs way over towards Leith hill etc.

    Probably a 40mile ride there and back of gentle Singletrack, and the bike would be perfect for that. I see it as more of tool for that kind of riding.

    the majority of ebikers I see local to me are older ladies and gentlemen whereby the EMTB has given their riding ability a new lease of life, and it’s definitely a lucrative market.

  31. [QUOTE=”Paul Mac, post: 333156, member: 672″]
    The weight has had me looking elsewhere ?
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    Everyone wants the biggest batteries until they have to pay the weight piper…..lol

  32. [QUOTE=”jbrown15, post: 333252, member: 9925″]
    Everyone wants the biggest batteries until they have to pay the weight piper…..lol
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    Not everyone… ?

  34. [QUOTE=”Doomanic, post: 333271, member: 52″]
    I think that’s going to be the norm for these fatter full fats.
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    Super Fats?

  36. [QUOTE=”R120, post: 333273, member: 291″]
    Seems the norm for a regular EMTB has gone from 23kg to 25kg in the last two years.
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    Well of course, 2 years ago a 500watt battery was the norm. Now a days allot of people feel like a 600watt is small and most bikes come with 600+watt batteries. Hence the more common heavier bikes.

  37. The calls for more integration had driven the weight up as well. External batteries look bobbins but the bikes were lighter.

  38. [QUOTE=”jbrown15, post: 333276, member: 9925″]
    Well of course, 2 years ago a 500watt battery was the norm. Now a days allot of people feel like a 600watt is small and most bikes come with 600+watt batteries. Hence the more common heavier bikes.
    [/QUOTE]
    Thats my point, it seems the market as a whole is prepared to accept heavier bikes in the quest for longer range.

  39. [QUOTE=”R120, post: 333337, member: 291″]
    That’s my point, it seems the market as a whole is prepared to accept heavier bikes in the quest for longer range.
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    It’s one of the main reasons I’m in no hurry to buy a new bike; as I want the Holy Grail of light weight [I]and [/I]long range I need Elon to pull his finger out and develop some much more energy dense cells.

  40. Only lightish bigger capacity bikes I can think of are Santa Cruz Bullit (630Wh ) and 2022 Levo (700wh battery) that are in the 22KG region, maybe there’s a couple more out there from smaller brands (Rotwild?)

  41. The Bullit is a lovely bike to ride downhill, especially when it get a tight and twisty, but the EP8 is very disappointing; both in power delivery and range. I haven’t ridden a ’22 Levo yet, so can’t comment on how it rides but I’d be surprised if it wasn’t very good.

  42. [QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 333339, member: 1″]
    Only lightish bigger capacity bikes I can think of are Santa Cruz Bullit (630Wh ) and 2022 Levo (700wh battery) that are in the 22KG region, maybe there’s a couple more out there from smaller brands (Rotwild?)
    [/QUOTE]

    Carbon Rails are pretty light too.

  43. Yeah Rotwild has some great bikes, I really like their equivalent of the Kenevo SL, which is very similar geo wise, but uses the same motor/battery concept as the Orbea Rise. Bonus is the battery is easily removable, and they have enabled the motor to give full power if required.

    [URL unfurl=”true”]https://www.rotwild.com/bikes/bikes/enduro/re375/pro/[/URL]

  44. [U]The fact of the matter is, until current battery technology changes, the bikes can’t get much lighter.[/U]

  45. [QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 333339, member: 1″]
    Only lightish bigger capacity bikes I can think of are Santa Cruz Bullit (630Wh ) and 2022 Levo (700wh battery) that are in the 22KG region, maybe there’s a couple more out there from smaller brands (Rotwild?)
    [/QUOTE]

    Wasn’t the 2019/20 carbon Levo with 700wh battery about 22kg as well?

  46. [QUOTE=”stiv674, post: 333390, member: 3069″]
    Wasn’t the 2019/20 carbon Levo with 700wh battery about 22kg as well?
    [/QUOTE]
    Yes that was before the trend of 38 forks and piggy back shocks with more robust tyres.
    That’s pushed the weight up on all these bikes.

  48. [QUOTE=”Paul Mac, post: 333386, member: 672″]
    [U]The fact of the matter is, until current battery technology changes, the bikes can’t get much lighter.[/U]
    [/QUOTE]
    Yes … and no.
    Came across a guy a few weeks back on a ride that had a battery failure on his E8000 powered bike. Could not get a battery from his LBS so sent the battery to a guy that does repacks for contractors power tools. Had a bunch of failed cellsso did a full repack – apparently the cells were 2000mah originally. The guy was given the option of 3 different brand batteries – 2600,mah, 2800mah or 3000mah with appropriate pricing. He was also advised a shipment of 3200mah were on the way but not expected for a month or so. As he wasn’t too worried about range having got enough with the original battery he went with the middle ground and I think it ended up close to 600W/h instead of the original 504Wh. Weight wise I don’t expect much difference.

    However, as Graphene starts to be fully developed and the cost comes down that will have a huge impact on weight.

  49. [QUOTE=”Rusty, post: 342539, member: 4931″]
    Yes … and no.
    Came across a guy a few weeks back on a ride that had a battery failure on his E8000 powered bike. Could not get a battery from his LBS so sent the battery to a guy that does repacks for contractors power tools. Had a bunch of failed cellsso did a full repack – apparently the cells were 2000mah originally. The guy was given the option of 3 different brand batteries – 2600,mah, 2800mah or 3000mah with appropriate pricing. He was also advised a shipment of 3200mah were on the way but not expected for a month or so. As he wasn’t too worried about range having got enough with the original battery he went with the middle ground and I think it ended up close to 600W/h instead of the original 504Wh. Weight wise I don’t expect much difference.

    However, as Graphene starts to be fully developed and the cost comes down that will have a huge impact on weight.
    [/QUOTE]
    Would be interesting to find out who did that for him!

  51. [QUOTE=”Rusty, post: 342539, member: 4931″]
    Had a bunch of failed cellsso did a full repack – apparently the cells were 2000mah originally.
    [/QUOTE]
    He either didn’t understand what he was being told or was being lied to by the bloke repacking the cells. To get 504Wh the cells are 3500mah.

  52. [QUOTE=”Doomanic, post: 342802, member: 52″]
    He either didn’t understand what he was being told or was being lied to by the bloke repacking the cells. To get 504Wh the cells are 3500mah.
    [/QUOTE]

    Something not quite right there, if they were 2000 mAh cells in the original battery, then you’d need 70 to get to 504wh…

  53. Not certain as that was what he told me over a after ride coffee. However, the batteries in a Shimano battery pack I have seen were Panasonic CGR18650CG and according to the spec sheet they are 2250mAh. Have also seen inside a Darfon battery pack for the Shimano Steps system and that had Samsung 25R, which are 2500mAh according to spec. I know Darfon have their own BMS, but don’t know how they are wired.

  54. Simple maths tells you that’s not right. To get 36v is 10 cells in series. Volts times capacity is Wh. So 36 * 2.25 = 81Wh. If each “stick” is 81Wh you’d need 6.22 sticks to make 504Wh. The Shimano battery is known to be 40 cells (4 “sticks”) so they [I]have[/I] to be 3.5Ah cells.

  57. I’m looking at several bikes at the moment, one of which is the Patron. Apparently, the top of the range carbon model weighs 24k. I agree with others the lock out is a waste of time on an ebike, but price wise this bike is on a par with similar spec bikes from Specialized and Trek, so one can just get rid of the extra levers and gubbins and the weight could come very close to the Trek 9.8 XT which costs the same. I currently ride a 2018 Kenevo which is heavier than all of these bikes and I find it very easy to change direction (as did other testers at the time). One feature of the Patron is that they have managed to get the battery lower than most (by tilting the motor upwards) and a low centre of gravity can make a relatively heavy bike feel much lighter. Thus a bike may weigh a bit more but if it has a shorter wheelbase, is not too slack, and has a low centre of gravity, it may well be more “flickable“ than something heavier. A Levo at the same price weighs just under 23k, so I wonder how much one would notice the extra half a kilo of the trek or a kilo of the Patron. I think all three bikes are superb, so choosing between them is going to come down to quite subtle differences and maybe weight is not the most important of these.

  58. [QUOTE=”Swissrider, post: 390994, member: 1649″]
    I’m looking at several bikes at the moment, one of which is the Patron. Apparently, the top of the range carbon model weighs 24k. I agree with others the lock out is a waste of time on an ebike, but price wise this bike is on a par with similar spec bikes from Specialized and Trek, so one can just get rid of the extra levers and gubbins and the weight could come very close to the Trek 9.8 XT which costs the same. I currently ride a 2018 Kenevo which is heavier than all of these bikes and I find it very easy to change direction (as did other testers at the time). One feature of the Patron is that they have managed to get the battery lower than most (by tilting the motor upwards) and a low centre of gravity can make a relatively heavy bike feel much lighter. Thus a bike may weigh a bit more but if it has a shorter wheelbase, is not too slack, and has a low centre of gravity, it may well be more “flickable“ than something heavier. A Levo at the same price weighs just under 23k, so I wonder how much one would notice the extra half a kilo of the trek or a kilo of the Patron. I think all three bikes are superb, so choosing between them is going to come down to quite subtle differences and maybe weight is not the most important of these.
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    If you buy it, keep the remote for a few rides and report back – think of it as on the fly geometry adjustment rather than anything to do with efficiency – changing rear shock travel steepens up the steering , so you can switch between stable long travel down hill , and nimble x country . It feels fantastic on their regular bikes, but I haven’t tried it on an emtb.

  59. [QUOTE=”Pdoz, post: 391125, member: 2885″]
    If you buy it, keep the remote for a few rides and report back – think of it as on the fly geometry adjustment rather than anything to do with efficiency – changing rear shock travel steepens up the steering , so you can switch between stable long travel down hill , and nimble x country . It feels fantastic on their regular bikes, but I haven’t tried it on an emtb.
    [/QUOTE]
    Have the Twinlock on my Tuned 900. Don’t use it often, but once I get my next suspension service done I might not use it at all, but expect I still might. Currently I run the suspension on the softer side to make gravel roads etc a lot more comfortable on the wrists and then go into 1/2 lockout for single ttrack stuff.

  60. [QUOTE=”Rusty, post: 391399, member: 4931″]
    Have the Twinlock on my Tuned 900. Don’t use it often, but once I get my next suspension service done I might not use it at all, but expect I still might. Currently I run the suspension on the softer side to make gravel roads etc a lot more comfortable on the wrists and then go into 1/2 lockout for single ttrack stuff.
    [/QUOTE]

    My daughter has a genius 940 – I LOVE the system. She runs liw air pressures / relatively high sag so that might be why it’s so noticeable switching between down hill and x country – but it’s like having 2 different bikes

  61. [QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 332771, member: 1″]
    Maybe you’d get used to it. I rode the Scott Spark for a day and hated that twinlock. So much extra crap on the bike for very little (if any) benefit. I actually never lock out my suspension. Does anyone on an ebike? Actually interested to see if folks do…
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    The shock, yes, but it’s steep here and technical climbs which I like as much as the descents. I’ve never understood fork lockout – whether climbing or descending you want the front wheel to roll over stuff

  62. [QUOTE=”Rob Rides EMTB, post: 332771, member: 1″]
    Maybe you’d get used to it. I rode the Scott Spark for a day and hated that twinlock. So much extra crap on the bike for very little (if any) benefit. I actually never lock out my suspension. Does anyone on an ebike? Actually interested to see if folks do…
    [/QUOTE]
    No..neither shock or forks and the bike climbs everything I’m capable of in terms of technical terrain ..

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